First Hours After America's Downfall

[tatwo]

On 1/4/2025 at 10:21 AM, GodIsLife said:

What will happen in the first hours after America's downfall:

You’re living in it…if…you have “eyes to see and ears to hear”…America’s downfall is currently well under way. Let me ask you @GodIsLife…did/do you expect it to happen suddenly in just one day?

Are you thinking that all the sudden the “enemy” broadcasts that he is here and taking over? Remember that he and his kosmos are an “invisible spirit/kingdom” who pulls off “invisible schemes”…which…mere humans and carnal immature institutional Christians cannot see.

In your list of 5 items…the first three are well under way and there are more that you did not list. I am not sure I agree with numbers 4 & 5 really…though there is some plausibility there.

In terms of your comments on Iran…there is something there…however the “nuclear” option you mention is not likely to be the beginning of Americas downfall…as I stated…that is already well under way…perhaps you and others have not realized this yet?

For example if anyone actually looked into the "next administrations cabinet"…it is loaded with members of the “global-capitalist empire”…which is the first "global empire" in the history of empires…it will dominate the entire planet. There has never been anything like it in history…so folks do not see it so forget about knowing how to identify it at this point. I will say this…”Mr. Neuralink” is…at this point a “major player.”

There is so much more to all of this but these forums generally flow along best with arguments over the same old “pet” theologies from hundreds of years ago…like the Lord Yahshua somehow quit talking to His family…His house…His people...His Body...His Bride...back then.

Additionally there are those who have been called to “police” what is said…so that something we don’t already believe...is scrutinized and often can’t be brought forth because we already know everything and so there is nothing new.

I understand that "they" are only trying to protect those who have been graced with life eternal...because...we need that.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

Greeting @Dennis1209...interesting response to “First Hours After America's Downfall”

On 1/11/2025 at 3:33 PM, Dennis1209 said:

It seems appropriate to first ask the question, how did we digress and arrive at this position of such decline and vulnerability, from guarding liberty and strength to apathy? This is an open-ended question Christians should instinctively see, know, and scripturally answer.

Well…to answer your question…”instinctively and scripturally”…because it was always going to be like this. The “eschaton” was set when the heavens and the earth were created…the Lord knew the end from before the beginning. The wages of “sin” is “death”…which is defined as a separation from God.

When people and fallen angels live their existence apart from the righteous and holy desires of our God and Father of creation…”sin” brings a “judgment” know as “death.” What you briefly define and ask in your first sentence there…is…the fruit of creation rejecting its creator. This judgment was built into sin...it brings decay leading to death.

For an example…what happened to Israel in the wilderness due to their apathy? 40 years of God trying to break the “salve” mentality in them by providing everything they needed so they could trust in Him only…leaving their “slave mindsets” behind and cling to His love, provision and protection. They rejected Him and His provision and He rejected them…just consider what that “wilderness” excursion was like on a day to day basis until their demise?

It’s a flavor of that which we are seeing in “America” today.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 1/11/2025 at 3:33 PM, Dennis1209 said:

I do not know if this is related, but what about the balloons that entered and slowly crossed American airspace unmolested? Or the hundreds of drones videoed and reported over several states lately. I can think of several scenarios, none benevolent to our country or citizens.

If I were to try to weaken and destroy our nation intentionally, I would do it precisely the way Biden is attempting, through his Build Back Better program (UN Agenda 2030). Stop all self-sufficiency with coal and fossil fuel production—mandate overloading the electrical grid with non-sustainable electric vehicles for the military and civilian population.

Open the borders, flooding the country with unvetted aliens, disease, child trafficking, economic burdens, and drug cartels. Kick out decorated military veterans out of housing, replacing them with illegal aliens. Create sanctuary cities, as long as it is not in their neighborhoods. Weaponize jurisprudence into political weapons against their ideals and agendas. Promote divisiveness between races, political ideologies, and economic classes in the name of social justice.

We all could continue with Bidens perceived ineptitude and disgrace from Afghanistan through the hundreds of heinous people he is pardoning at present.

I cannot even disdain this sitting Puppet of the New World Order. There is no way this lying, senile, blundering president is running this country and making coherent decisions. Top of my lying list out of the Puppets mouth, NO, I will not pardon Hunter Biden, parroted by his Press Secretary, Corkey the Clown.

As I mentioned, I have difficulty believing Biden has been running this country for the last four years. He cannot even stay awake on the job. He cannot string a coherent paragraph together without medical intervention (previous State of the Union), and that was a rambling hate message, not a report. It was almost like he was possessed.

I can generally agree with your entire diatribe Dennis…it makes me think of two things. One…if you are right and I do agree with you…that the sitting administration that appears to be leading “America”…but it’s not…then who is?

Two…you said “It was almost like he was possessed”…in reference to “his” demeanor in a “State of the Union” address. He is clearly "not possessed" by the “Holy Spirit”…so his possession…which is likely…will only leave an “evil spirit” to be in possession of the sitting United States President…imagine that would you.

A majority of “Americans” voted for their “President” and he is demon possessed…

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 1/11/2025 at 3:33 PM, Dennis1209 said:

If my above thoughts and observations are mildly accurate, who has been running the country for the last four years? The Buck has never stopped at the Oval Office; it has always been Trump's, Trump's, and Trump's fault.

Again in an attempt to give you my answer…and I will step into your question here…ever so lightly. If as you suggest…the country is not being run by the administration sitting behind the resolute desk…then who is running the country?  

If one has the courage to take a relatively detailed look at the "non-Americanized and non-propagandized" history of this nation…U.S.A… One would see that it would be those who have run this country for many years…and will continue to do so moving forward here.

Just watch as the incoming administration roles out the plans of the "unseen authority" running America...just like the outgoing administration has. 

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 1/11/2025 at 3:33 PM, Dennis1209 said:

America was once great and blessed, what has caused US. from being blessed to going down the proverbial toilet bowl? Anybody, anybody?

Well by saying that “America was once great and blessed” which is the same ideology I was raised with…and life in the “carnal, temporal and physical sense" has been comfortable in America…I agree. However I am also aware of the “bigger” perspective…a global perspective…which for the "Kingdom of God mindset" is appropriate here.

There are brothers and sisters from “every tribe tongue people and nation” some that I personally know…who “do not” agree with that statement because of what they “perceive” has happened to them their leaders and nations…at the hands of America…that’s their reality.

Christian Americans typically and generally conflate this “oppression and destruction” being imposed upon other nations and their peoples as the righteousness of God in some fashion?

This explains what we are experiencing to a “measurable degree” in America today…America is now living in the due process of “reaping what she has sown.” Unfortunately in her sowing she has sown much sin and the reaping of much death has begun.

As for your “going down the proverbial toilet bowl” question…it is the unrepentant sin that has been committed by…not only her top tier leadership…but her people have followed suit…that brings her death…which has already begun.

If a sitting American President is not leading as the constitution and supporting documents proclaim…and someone or something else is…you may be able to grasp why I say what I say…Dennis?

It is very likely that it "is not a pro-American" leadership that has been empowered to run this nation...so Americans are likely to be thrown under the bus in all of this.

Consider the current conditions in Los Angeles...not just the immediate circumstances...consider the decades of theft and greedy irresponsible leadership that has produced the conditions in that state that are largely out of control in that scenario right now.

There is much to discuss here Dennis…not just for the sake of discussion either. The conditions in America will continually and by most standards rapidly deteriorate as we can see today.

The incoming President elect and his administration see America…with very different aspirations and perspectives than the nominal American citizen who voted…who have been lied to for decades. Preparation is now part and parcel to life in America…today…apathy is an enemy to America just as it was to Israel in the wilderness.

Then there is the spiritual preparation that the Lord Yahshua Christ has issued forth to His Body...which the institutional religion has not received and accepted…likely because they cannot hear His Words.

Tatwo...:)

[Alive]

18 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Well by saying that “America was once great and blessed” which is the same ideology I was raised with…and life in the “carnal, temporal and physical sense" has been comfortable in America…I agree. However I am also aware of the “bigger” perspective…a global perspective…which for the "Kingdom of God mindset" is appropriate here.

There are brothers and sisters from “every tribe tongue people and nation” some that I personally know…who “do not” agree with that statement because of what they “perceive” has happened to them their leaders and nations…at the hands of America…that’s their reality.

Christian Americans typically and generally conflate this “oppression and destruction” being imposed upon other nations and their peoples as the righteousness of God in some fashion?

This explains what we are experiencing to a “measurable degree” in America today…America is now living in the due process of “reaping what she has sown.” Unfortunately in her sowing she has sown much sin and the reaping of much death has begun.

As for your “going down the proverbial toilet bowl” question…it is the unrepentant sin that has been committed by…not only her top tier leadership…but her people have followed suit…that brings her death…which has already begun.

If a sitting American President is not leading as the constitution and supporting documents proclaim…and someone or something else is…you may be able to grasp why I say what I say…Dennis?

It is very likely that it "is not a pro-American" leadership that has been empowered to run this nation...so Americans are likely to be thrown under the bus in all of this.

Consider the current conditions in Los Angeles...not just the immediate circumstances...consider the decades of theft and greedy irresponsible leadership that has produced the conditions in that state that are largely out of control in that scenario right now.

There is much to discuss here Dennis…not just for the sake of discussion either. The conditions in America will continually and by most standards rapidly deteriorate as we can see today.

The incoming President elect and his administration see America…with very different aspirations and perspectives than the nominal American citizen who voted…who have been lied to for decades. Preparation is now part and parcel to life in America…today…apathy is an enemy to America just as it was to Israel in the wilderness.

Then there is the spiritual preparation that the Lord Yahshua Christ has issued forth to His Body...which the institutional religion has not received and accepted…likely because they cannot hear His Words.

Tatwo...:)

Interesting points.

Its my opinion and what I have said for years, is the one sin that is responsible…abortion. Abortion given the stamp of approval institutionally by government and by extension, the People.

It is quite literally, molech worship and enthusiastically celebrated in our streets.

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2 hours ago, tatwo said:

I can generally agree with your entire diatribe Dennis…it makes me think of two things. One…if you are right and I do agree with you…that the sitting administration that appears to be leading “America”…but it’s not…then who is?

Two…you said “It was almost like he was possessed”…in reference to “his” demeanor in a “State of the Union” address. He is clearly "not possessed" by the “Holy Spirit”…so his possession…which is likely…will only leave an “evil spirit” to be in possession of the sitting United States President…imagine that would you.

 

2 hours ago, tatwo said:

A majority of “Americans” voted for their “President” and he is demon possessed…

Tatwo...:)

Demon possessed? Maybe not.

It may be more like the rich man and Lazarus. 

In this case Trump would be the rich man and the immigrants, homeless, and hungry would be Lazarus.

Thousands of rich men and millions of Lazarus.

Come, let us build bigger barns, and more golf courses.

 

[abcdef]

2 hours ago, tatwo said:

Again in an attempt to give you my answer…and I will step into your question here…ever so lightly. If as you suggest…the country is not being run by the administration sitting behind the resolute desk…then who is running the country?  

If one has the courage to take a relatively detailed look at the "non-Americanized and non-propagandized" history of this nation…U.S.A… One would see that it would be those who have run this country for many years…and will continue to do so moving forward here.

 

2 hours ago, tatwo said:

Just watch as the incoming administration roles out the plans of the "unseen authority" running America...just like the outgoing administration has. 

Tatwo...:)

The unseen authority is the Vatican. They hold seats on the SCOTUS, the courts, in congress, and the appointees to offices.  

When DJT is gone the Vatican will still be there holding power.

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Keep your eyes on Israel. All this turmoil and confusion is leading to one end, the fall of Jerusalem to Iran.

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America may not fall apart completely, but the roll of the Vatican in the government is against Israel, just as it has been for the last 2000 years.

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So many think that when they say "Christian nation", that they mean Baptist nation or Lutheran nation, but no, they mean Roman Catholic Church nation (RCC).

That means that all other groups will be banned or will not be recognized by the government.

"You are not a Christian unless you are Roman Catholic", they say.

Protestants will find out the truth too late to do anything about it, it's too late already.

 

[Vine Abider]

On 1/7/2025 at 1:03 PM, WilliamL said:

All Iran would need is a couple nuclear weapons upon intercontinental missiles (which missiles they alreadly have), to explode in space over the US, creating enough EMP waves to knock out the electrical grid. The collapse of the currency and commerce, and ensuing famine and chaos, would immediately follow. They could even secretly smuggle in the nukes from North Korea, which already has this technology; which research has been subsidized by Iran. And such missiles can be fired from cargo ships off the US coastline.

Different US EMP commissions have already stated these things, and have pushed for at least two decades that the three main US grids need to be hardened against EMP attack, but Congress has refused to provide the relatively few billions of dollars needed to do it.

 

On 1/7/2025 at 8:17 PM, The_Patriot21 said:

If that was all they needed then north Korea would have nuked us a long time ago. You can't just duct tape a nuclear bomb onto a missile and launch it, it's way more involved. It actually is rocket science.

And even if they somehow got one advanced enough to actually make the trip we'd have it shot down long before it made it stateside. Likely before it even left the atmosphere.

I also think the EMP approach seems to be to be the most viable thing, and a real Achilles heel.  And it doesn't have to be a ballistic missile coming from high altitude.  According to my understanding, even a simple Scud missile, fired off the coastline from a few derelict freighters, would do the dirty deed.  The missiles don't have to get that high to take out the electric & electronics in coastal areas like LA, NY,  Houston and even DC. If they fired a dozen of these cheap missiles and only a third exploded above those cities, the devastation would be pretty severe.  Plus, firing from a nondescript freighter, which would be immediately scuttled, would make it hard to trace. 

So there would be a huge impact, without any direct or immediate loss of life (from the EMP explosion), yet it would bring those areas to a standstill and cause a massive crises and total chaos. Shortly after there might then be an EMP round two on other strategic targets, which would really cripple things.  It would be like trying to hit a target in the dark, that you had no idea which direction it came from.

If I were an enemy, this might be approach I would use against an 800 pound gorilla like the USA.

[The_Patriot21]

40 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

 

I also think the EMP approach seems to be to be the most viable thing, and a real Achilles heel.  And it doesn't have to be a ballistic missile coming from high altitude.  According to my understanding, even a simple Scud missile, fired off the coastline from a few derelict freighters, would do the dirty deed.  The missiles don't have to get that high to take out the electric & electronics in coastal areas like LA, NY,  Houston and even DC. If they fired a dozen of these cheap missiles and only a third exploded above those cities, the devastation would be pretty severe.  Plus, firing from a nondescript freighter, which would be immediately scuttled, would make it hard to trace. 

So there would be a huge impact, without any direct or immediate loss of life (from the EMP explosion), yet it would bring those areas to a standstill and cause a massive crises and total chaos. Shortly after there might then be an EMP round two on other strategic targets, which would really cripple things.  It would be like trying to hit a target in the dark, that you had no idea which direction it came from.

If I were an enemy, this might be approach I would use against an 800 pound gorilla like the USA.

Sure, but to do that they'd have to get close enough. Not many countries have the capability to do that, and of those that do, the US keeps a very very sharp eye on, to the point even a halfway competent military general could stop such an attack easily. Just about the only way someone would be able to pull it off is if someone in our own government sold us out, and someone pretty high up.

Add into that, they'd have to have to be pretty suicidal. With our fleet of nuclear subs, any attack on us is sure to be met with immediate and lethal, response.

And let's not forget, to date the US is the only nation in the world that has actually used a nuclear weapon in combat. So we're the only ones that everyone can know for sure aren't bluffing.

It's like poking a sleeping grizzly. You can know for certain that it's going to come after you. And you'd better be big enough and strong enough to take it, or your going to be wiped out of existence. 

You got a smaller country like Iran, or even the Ukraine, it's like poking a badger. Sure it's gonna fight back, and it's likely to hurt but your probably going to survive, even come out on top. But it's usually not a good idea for the badger to poke the bear, and in the wild, they rarely do.