And then, there were Three:

[AdHoc]

4 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

I do not agree Ad Hoc, as you well know. Please don`t twist my words. Now Joseph did not take Mary a prisoner. 

And (again) you are mixing up the Body of Christ and Israel. The revelation of the Body of Christ by the ascended Lord, was FIRST to Paul. The disciples did not know of the New Man but were constantly looking to the Lord to rule through Israel over the nations.

No my sister. It is you who said "paralambano" is to "aggressively take" and "led of as a prisoner". Here below are your words. I only pointed out what you inferred.

 

18 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

And 2983 lambao, aggressively take – to take (receive) by showing strong personal initiative.

`. to take to – to take with oneself, to join oneself.

Matt. 24: 40 & Luke 17: 34- 36 one to be led off as a prisoner.

Not nice for a mature, dignified Christian.

But no hard feelings. God bless.

[Marilyn C]

12 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

No my sister. It is you who said "paralambano" is to "aggressively take" and "led of as a prisoner". Here below are your words. I only pointed out what you inferred.

 

Not nice for a mature, dignified Christian.

But no hard feelings. God bless.

Yes, the `one taken` was led off as a prisoner to be judged as those in the day of Noah were `taken in the flood` taken` off as a prisoner to be judged.

Context, context, context.

[AdHoc]

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes, the `one taken` was led off as a prisoner to be judged as those in the day of Noah were `taken in the flood` taken` off as a prisoner to be judged.

Context, context, context.

No. The words of Jesus are in answer to the three questions in verse 3. From verse 1 to verse 31 our Lord deals with the Apostles' ministry. It starts in Jerusalem and ends with with Israel gathered from the four winds. The abrupt change to parables shows that He now addresses the Church.

1. When shall these things be? (v.3)
When Israel's works (the leaves)  are Lawful. When the moral standard of the world descends to that of Noah's time. When the Lord is ready to snatch away unexpectedly lie a thief. Who will He snatch away - something precious like a firstfruit or an overcomer. From where will He snatch this precious thing away? From a "Household"  who is made of people who have Him as THEIR LORD. What makes the members of the  Household precious? A faithful servant, five wise Virgins and again a servant who uses his talent.

2. What shall be the sign of the end of the age? (v.3)
Ditto.

3. What shall the sign be of your coming? (v.3)
You are the Church. You must live by faith. There will be no sign. Be ready! Be watchful! YOUR LORD comes as a thief. A thief comes only for the precious things. He comes suddenly and hidden from eyes. He comes when the Circadian Low sets in and men are drunk with sleep. The DELAY is the danger. Servants lose interest. Bury their Talents. Don't BUY oil etc.

That, my sister, is the context. In verses 39 those "taken" in judgment is "airo" in the Greek. The same word for "sins TAKEN away" in John 1:29. But the thief does not come to steal criminals. He takes what is valuable. The word for taking a known companion is "Paralambano".

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, AdHoc said:

No. The words of Jesus are in answer to the three questions in verse 3. From verse 1 to verse 31 our Lord deals with the Apostles' ministry. It starts in Jerusalem and ends with with Israel gathered from the four winds. The abrupt change to parables shows that He now addresses the Church.

1. When shall these things be? (v.3)
When Israel's works (the leaves)  are Lawful. When the moral standard of the world descends to that of Noah's time. When the Lord is ready to snatch away unexpectedly lie a thief. Who will He snatch away - something precious like a firstfruit or an overcomer. From where will He snatch this precious thing away? From a "Household"  who is made of people who have Him as THEIR LORD. What makes the members of the  Household precious? A faithful servant, five wise Virgins and again a servant who uses his talent.

2. What shall be the sign of the end of the age? (v.3)
Ditto.

3. What shall the sign be of your coming? (v.3)
You are the Church. You must live by faith. There will be no sign. Be ready! Be watchful! YOUR LORD comes as a thief. A thief comes only for the precious things. He comes suddenly and hidden from eyes. He comes when the Circadian Low sets in and men are drunk with sleep. The DELAY is the danger. Servants lose interest. Bury their Talents. Don't BUY oil etc.

That, my sister, is the context. In verses 39 those "taken" in judgment is "airo" in the Greek. The same word for "sins TAKEN away" in John 1:29. But the thief does not come to steal criminals. He takes what is valuable. The word for taking a known companion is "Paralambano".

And within that greater context the Lord gives a picture of what His coming would be like - 

`and they did not know until the flood came and took them all away, SO ALSO will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken (as in the flood0 and the other left...` (Matt. 24: 39 & 40)

Taken away as a prisoner.

 

[AdHoc]

21 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

And within that greater context the Lord gives a picture of what His coming would be like - 

`and they did not know until the flood came and took them all away, SO ALSO will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken (as in the flood0 and the other left...` (Matt. 24: 39 & 40)

Taken away as a prisoner.

 

"Taken as a prisoner ... " I thought the flood KILLED every man on earth. Why would he be taken by the thief? Is Christ coming for the evil?

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

"Taken as a prisoner ... " I thought the flood KILLED every man on earth. Why would he be taken by the thief? Is Christ coming for the evil?

The phrase is `took them away,` and that is to judgment later. And the angels took them not the Lord. 

[AdHoc]

On 1/25/2025 at 12:57 AM, Marilyn C said:

Yes, the `one taken` was led off as a prisoner to be judged as those in the day of Noah were `taken in the flood` taken` off as a prisoner to be judged.

Context, context, context.

 

15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

The phrase is `took them away,` and that is to judgment later. And the angels took them not the Lord. 

Please clarify with scripture. Were the people "taken by the flood (v.39 - "airo") NOT KILLED but carried away to a place of judgment? And now you say that those "taken" by the thief,  okay, angels ("paralambano") are not killed but face a later judgment. Where do you get such an idea?

But you say, in the first quote above, that they are "led of as a prisoner to be judged AS those in the day of Noah were. But they were not led anywhere. They were killed by drowning! What is this new version of Genesis 7.

In a previous posting you warned our brother @Dennis1209 that he would choke on my exegesis. But is this version of yours not way off?

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: (Gen.7:20–23)

Is this your definition of "paralambano"?

[Marilyn C]

5 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 

Please clarify with scripture. Were the people "taken by the flood (v.39 - "airo") NOT KILLED but carried away to a place of judgment? And now you say that those "taken" by the thief,  okay, angels ("paralambano") are not killed but face a later judgment. Where do you get such an idea?

But you say, in the first quote above, that they are "led of as a prisoner to be judged AS those in the day of Noah were. But they were not led anywhere. They were killed by drowning! What is this new version of Genesis 7.

In a previous posting you warned our brother @Dennis1209 that he would choke on my exegesis. But is this version of yours not way off?

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: (Gen.7:20–23)

Is this your definition of "paralambano"?

Ad Hoc,

The picture of the people taken as a prisoner, in the flood and when the Lord returns at the end of the trib, is just that a picture. They will die and then at the great white throne they will be judged.