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13 hours ago, teddyv said:

I don't really see a lot of positive in him when framing him as a Christian. It's not like he's just shown up a year or two ago and no one knew anything about him. He has demonstrated a typical pattern of behaviour since The Apprentice days.  I have not witnessed any growth or maturity. If anything, his worst traits are on full display right now.

I do question the fealty that evangelicals, in particular, have given to Trump. There is an almost cynical "ends justifying the means" attitude, and a large amount of hypocrisy.

As to you not being a CN, I never levelled that against you. I said that the CN people are heavily involved and it suits their agenda to frame him as Christian. These people are actually far more troubling to me than Trump. 

That is the difference between you and me and so many others. I do see positive in President Trump. He has talked about our Lord in speeches. If someone doesn't like someone then they don't see the positive in them. 

I am glad he has folks like Franklin Graham, Greg Laurie in his life. They pray for him and minister to him. They are bible believing and teach others. If you are pointing out to someone else that is a Christian that you don't agree with, remember the most important thing is Salvation through Jesus alone. If they believe and teach that then they are Christians. 

13 hours ago, teddyv said:

Even if what she said was not right (and I listened to it - it was not outrageous for a pastor to say what she said in that context), but the childish response to it is emblematic of everything that shows Trump to be boorish, childish, and a malignant narcissist.

The bishop at the church service used her platform as an agenda for a political stand. The church service shouldn't have about her political stand. She was there and she could have shared the Good News of Jesus but she chose to take her political stand and lecture President Trump. I don't see Trump in the way that you do at all. If fact I agree with President Trump about this.

14 hours ago, teddyv said:

When you live outside of the US, you do get a different view - but we get all the same media you can view, be it left, centre or right. This auto-assumption that I, or other critics, are only consuming what we want to here is unwarranted. You don't know that. I rarely watch CBC or Global, the big Canadian channels. I spent a lot of time on Twitter, so I got a lot of right-wing media. I've abandoned that place since the open racists and neo-Nazis started to invade my timeline. 

If you assume right-wing media like Fox, OAN etc. do not share the same issues that CNN, NBC etc. do, then that could be a blind spot.

I choose my news from a Christian perspective. That is why I have many Christian outlets to get the news. CBN is an excellent choice for me. George has his news on the forum here. 

We're not going to agree about President Trump. I see him as positive and you see him as negative. I'm praying for him and all the leaders just as I did when Biden/Harris and everyone else that was in office. 
 
If we personally don't like someone then we tend to want to see the bad in their lives. We are all in need of Jesus to save us, forgive us. We need to pray and seek God always and have a personal relationship with Him. We never stop growing and learning. 
 
We are going to have to agree to disagree and pray for one another. 
 
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1 hour ago, Patticats said:

That is the difference between you and me and so many others. I do see positive in President Trump. He has talked about our Lord in speeches. If someone doesn't like someone then they don't see the positive in them. 

I am glad he has folks like Franklin Graham, Greg Laurie in his life. They pray for him and minister to him. They are bible believing and teach others. If you are pointing out to someone else that is a Christian that you don't agree with, remember the most important thing is Salvation through Jesus alone. If they believe and teach that then they are Christians. 

The bishop at the church service used her platform as an agenda for a political stand. The church service shouldn't have about her political stand. She was there and she could have shared the Good News of Jesus but she chose to take her political stand and lecture President Trump. I don't see Trump in the way that you do at all. If fact I agree with President Trump about this.

I choose my news from a Christian perspective. That is why I have many Christian outlets to get the news. CBN is an excellent choice for me. George has his news on the forum here. 

We're not going to agree about President Trump. I see him as positive and you see him as negative. I'm praying for him and all the leaders just as I did when Biden/Harris and everyone else that was in office. 
 
If we personally don't like someone then we tend to want to see the bad in their lives. We are all in need of Jesus to save us, forgive us. We need to pray and seek God always and have a personal relationship with Him. We never stop growing and learning. 
 
We are going to have to agree to disagree and pray for one another. 
 

Patti,I see this  all of Gods plan,we don't know what God has in store for us,didn't the person beside Jesus got saved at the last minutes of his life? Some people do act like they are Christians which they think make them a good Christian but they don't know Jesus. I thank the Lord He opened my eyes at the age of 29 years old,I always went to church and considered myself a Christian,I needed that period in my life for God to work on me,God works different with all of us,to judge DT for not being a Christian is a scary thing to do,some things he does are very good for the US and others not so much,some people think he's the A.C .I disagree and  think God can still do big things and is already in his life. If he's not born again,he still has time to accept Jesus,he has some good people around him but also not so good. God is God and I just rest in Him,He knows the end of the beginning...

God has a future for this world ,and He's watching His plan being fulfilled...come Lord Jesus please come soon..

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30 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Patti,I see this  all of Gods plan,we don't know what God has in store for us,didn't the person beside Jesus got saved at the last minutes of his life? Some people do act like they are Christians which they think make them a good Christian but they don't know Jesus. I thank the Lord He opened my eyes at the age of 29 years old,I always went to church and considered myself a Christian,I needed that period in my life for God to work on me,God works different with all of us,to judge DT for not being a Christian is a scary thing to do,some things he does are very good for the US and others not so much,some people think he's the A.C .I disagree and  think God can still do big things and is already in his life. If he's not born again,he still has time to accept Jesus,he has some good people around him but also not so good. God is God and I just rest in Him,He knows the end of the beginning...

God has a future for this world ,and He's watching His plan being fulfilled...come Lord Jesus please come soon..

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3 hours ago, Patticats said:

That is the difference between you and me and so many others. I do see positive in President Trump. He has talked about our Lord in speeches. If someone doesn't like someone then they don't see the positive in them. 

I am glad he has folks like Franklin Graham, Greg Laurie in his life. They pray for him and minister to him. They are bible believing and teach others. If you are pointing out to someone else that is a Christian that you don't agree with, remember the most important thing is Salvation through Jesus alone. If they believe and teach that then they are Christians. 

The bishop at the church service used her platform as an agenda for a political stand. The church service shouldn't have about her political stand. She was there and she could have shared the Good News of Jesus but she chose to take her political stand and lecture President Trump. I don't see Trump in the way that you do at all. If fact I agree with President Trump about this.

I choose my news from a Christian perspective. That is why I have many Christian outlets to get the news. CBN is an excellent choice for me. George has his news on the forum here. 

We're not going to agree about President Trump. I see him as positive and you see him as negative. I'm praying for him and all the leaders just as I did when Biden/Harris and everyone else that was in office. 
 
If we personally don't like someone then we tend to want to see the bad in their lives. We are all in need of Jesus to save us, forgive us. We need to pray and seek God always and have a personal relationship with Him. We never stop growing and learning. 
 
We are going to have to agree to disagree and pray for one another. 
 

Yes, we will agree to disagree.

Franklin Graham? Uggh.

 


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18 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, Just what "remarks" are you referencing? I simply watched a video, noted the commentator's statement that Trump is influenced by evangelical Pentecostals.

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evangelical Pentecostals.

They're not Christians?


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We are living in very dark and evil times on this earth now. More than ever before. A born again Christian needs to be in constant prayer for God to guide and direct us through these times we are going through. We need to have excellent Christian discernment. We need to weed out what is the literal God's Truth on Worthy and what is not. Satan is working over time now.

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This is an interesting thread.  We're not meant to fellowship through politics or politicians.  As for religion, why are there so many denominations?  LOL.  God is able.  He can fix all of us and our "issues."  Let's pray that He keeps His hand on us. 

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5 hours ago, angels4u said:

Patti,I see this  all of Gods plan,we don't know what God has in store for us,didn't the person beside Jesus got saved at the last minutes of his life? Some people do act like they are Christians which they think make them a good Christian but they don't know Jesus. I thank the Lord He opened my eyes at the age of 29 years old,I always went to church and considered myself a Christian,I needed that period in my life for God to work on me,God works different with all of us,to judge DT for not being a Christian is a scary thing to do,some things he does are very good for the US and others not so much,some people think he's the A.C .I disagree and  think God can still do big things and is already in his life. If he's not born again,he still has time to accept Jesus,he has some good people around him but also not so good. God is God and I just rest in Him,He knows the end of the beginning...

God has a future for this world ,and He's watching His plan being fulfilled...come Lord Jesus please come soon..

Yes and the thing is Only God knows our hearts!! To doubt someone is a Christian after two people closest to him says he is is beyond unbelievable. I think it has to do mostly with people not liking Trump. If we are Christians we are instructed to pray for our leaders. Not just the ones we like. 

The truth is only God knows who is saved and who isn't. 

I do find it funny some think Donald Trump is the A.C. Where do they get that from? When I have asked they either don't answer are very vague about it.

I don't see people doing this to Leaders that they like only the ones they don't like. 

We should pray for one another and love one another.


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1 hour ago, In the Clouds said:

This is an interesting thread.  We're not meant to fellowship through politics or politicians.  As for religion, why are there so many denominations?  LOL.  God is able.  He can fix all of us and our "issues."  Let's pray that He keeps His hand on us. 

Who said they fellowship through politics or politicans? I don't see that on this thread. But if we are in a church service with others that are in politics are we are suppose to leave? I don't think so. If you are speaking of the bishop that lead the church service it wasnt' suppose to be a Political Leture to Donald Trump. She had the platform and it would have been great to see her tells others about Jesus.  

This thread is about a book that was written by someone and the title is "The Faith of Donald Trump". The video clearly talks about it. So people have brought up other things beside what the thread is suppose to be. Everyone needs to watch the video.

We should  also need to pray daily for President Trump and other leaders. We are instructed in the bible to do so.

If someone can't rejoice over someone being saved then I think something is wrong. Only God knows our hearts. Not just President Trump's but all of us.

This is not strange thread at all. We are talking about  someone who knows the President and knows his faith being explain by watching the video. The video is from CBN. Which is a Christian Network.


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2 minutes ago, Patticats said:

Yes and the thing is Only God knows our hearts!! To doubt someone is a Christian after two people closest to him says he is is beyond unbelievable. I think it has to do mostly with people not liking Trump. If we are Christians we are instructed to pray for our leaders. Not just the ones we like. 

Not once did I judge him to not be a Christian. The one author said that he has demonstrated an openness and has had conversations with certain known pastors, some of which are highly political or adhere to heretical beliefs.

We can observe people's faith by their fruit:

love

joy

peace

patience

kindness

goodness

faithfulness

gentleness

self-control

These words just do not embody the actions and words of President Trump. Remember he is highly transactional, so a good deed or loyalty to him is rewarded. Break that loyalty and you are out. This is not controversial, it is his pattern. 

I pray that he may grow in Christian love and understanding.

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