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On 2/27/2025 at 5:55 AM, 70x7 said:

Adam and Eve were created in the image of God but are you and I? 

No.

Genesis 5:3 (KJV)

[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

 


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On 3/1/2025 at 7:33 AM, Cntrysner said:

1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 

1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 
1Co 15:48  As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 
1Co 15:49  And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly

Image of the earthly is a body made from dirt and it will return to dirt (Gen 3:19), image of the heavenly is a Spiritual body of oneness (Eph 4:4, Joh 17:21-22) with God.

Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image (H6754), after our likeness (H1823): 
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 

The Father said let US make man in our image in verse 26, then the singular God is used in verse 27, thus the US reveals the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the singular tripartite eternal God, in other words, the Father, and the Son who is Christ, before creation, were Spirit in a singular Spirit Body , not flesh, not bone, not human. The Father and the Son are one as is the spirit and soul of a living man are one. The Spirit is the vessel of unlimited power that performs the will of the Father and Son and our body gives us the ability to operate in this earthly realm. We do not pray to the Spirit and the Spirit does not speak of himself (Joh 16:13).

Adam was created in God’s image as tripartite.. body, soul and spirit not in the express image of God who is Spirit, Spirit, and Spirit.

Heb_1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image (G5481) of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Adam’s image his own…
H6754;From an unused root meaning to shade; a phantom, that is, (figuratively) illusion, resemblance; hence a representative figure, especially an idol: - image, vain shew.
Adam’s likeness..
H1823 From H1819; resemblance; concretely model, shape; adverbially like: - fashion, like (-ness, as), manner, similitude.
Ascended Christ’s express image of God…
G5481 from G5482; a graver (the tool or the person), that is, (by implication) engraving ([“character”], the figure stamped, that is, an exact copy or [figuratively] representation): - express image.

1Ti 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Flesh was Christ’s covering like you would put on clothing which is not a part of you, lest your nakedness be revealed, but Christ when His flesh was removed during His transfiguring ascension returned to the Father in glory and again received the Father’s express image and was not naked because of the Spirit oneness in one Spirit Body He had with the Father before He became flesh.

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Sin is in the flesh and Christ took our sins into His sinless body of flesh (1 Pet 2:24) becoming our sacrifice, no flesh will receive glory in the Father’s presence (1Co 1:29) for God is a consuming fire (Heb 12:29) and the flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63).

Got Questions…“The noun flesh (sarx in Greek) refers to “the physical aspects of a person in distinction to the nonmaterial soul.” Technically, flesh describes the body’s soft tissue but is often used in the New Testament to indicate the “sinful nature” or the seat of sin and rebellion against God in humanity. In the Old Testament, flesh is frequently used in reference to mortal humans in contrast with God, a life-giving Spirit. The term translated as “profit” in John 6:63 means “to be of use, help, aid, facilitate, accomplish.” 


Man was formed from dust and God breathed spirit into that vessel or house and man became a living soul. Our spirit has to have a body to be housed in or it would be non functional having no consistence, the living soul was created with spirit. Without a spirit or a body the soul is not functional. Without any one of the three, a vessel to contain, a soul, or a spirit there is no wholeness and in essence not a living tripartite man.

Gen 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The flesh is a covering vessel or tent for the spirit soul, it merely house’s and gives a consistent shape or image.

2Co 5:1  For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 
2Co 5:2  For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 
2Co 5:3  If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 


From God’s breath (spirit) the soul was created and with out the spirit the soul is not functional, death without recovery.

Soul and spirit are the essence of a living man who is housed in a earthly body.

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (Rom 8:16). The spirit in man cannot die (it is God’s breath) for without a functioning spirit, God would not be able to communicate with a lost soul with a dead spirit with His Spirit.   

It is said by some that the spirit returns to God at man’s death and the soul descends while the body returns to dust. I submit that only after the final judgment of non believers is God’s spirit removed. When a believer at death or rapture leaves the earthly body his spirit soul goes to it’s eternal home and is clothed with God’s Spirit body (express image) and we become one with the Father and the Son. 

Joh 17:20  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 
Joh 17:21  That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 
Joh 17:22  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 
Joh 17:23  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one (Spirit Body); and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 
Joh 17:24  Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 


Without the spirit the soul has no life in it, thus damnation and death with out recovery.


This verse is used as proof text that the spirit returns to God at death…
Ecc 12:7  Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
But we read in context that it refers to the time of judgment or when believers go to their eternal home …
Ecc 11:9  Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.
Ecc 12:5  Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: 

Some try to tear Christ asunder saying… His body was dead in the grave, His spirit returned to God, and His soul descended into hell. His divinity would disallow such a thing, Christ was not merely a man but a life giving Spirit (1 Co 15:45). Christ took our sins into His flesh body and died in the flesh but not in His spirit or soul. Christ was never a damned disembodied spiritless soul and neither will we be if we are members of His ascended Body. God the Father was in Christ on the cross (2 Co 5:19) via the Holy Spirit and He never left Him.

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 
 

Yes and Amen!  Mankind lost the image of God through the fall, but Christ came to restore us to that.  Christ is the perfect image of God in man.  We are now "being transformed into the same image, from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit." (2 Cor 3:18)

Here's some pertinent excerpts from a Charles Wesley (altered by Whitefield) song often sung:

 Hail th’ incarnate Deity!
Pleased as man with man to dwell,
  Jesus our Immanuel.

Born to raise the sons of earth;
  Born to give them second birth.

Come, Desire of nations, come!
  Fix in us Thy humble home:
Rise, the woman’s conqu’ring seed,
  Bruise in us the serpent’s head;
Adam’s likeness now efface,
  Stamp Thine image in its place:
Final Adam from above,
  Reinstate us in Thy love.

"The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit" to get into us so we may be "conformed into the image of His firstborn Son" Who is in the full image of God, thereby "bringing many sons into glory". (see 1 Cor 15:45, Rom 8:29 & Heb 2:10)

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We as mankind were created in the form God would take,
the form of a man, having hands, feet, eyes and the rest.

The image of God, when we see the Messiah we will be looking at God.
We have the same image, hands, feet....

[ John 14:9,  1 Timothy 3:16 ]


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7 hours ago, enoob57 said:

  70x7 said:

Adam and Eve were created in the image of God but are you and I? 

No.

Genesis 5:3 (KJV)

[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

After A & E, every human is pro-created, from God's plan.  God created A & E in His image.  That means the first 2 humas were created tripartite, to reflect the Triune God.  There is no other way to define "image".  1 Thess 5:23 - body, soul and spirit.

When Adam sinned, what died "on the day" was his human spirit. That is why every human is born with a dead human spirit, which is described as being "spiritually dead".  And the reason everyone needs to be born AGAIN.

When a person believes in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross for salvation, they are RE-generated, meaning their dead human spirit is "made alive", per Eph 2:5.


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6 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

When Adam sinned, what died "on the day" was his human spirit. That is why every human is born with a dead human spirit, which is described as being "spiritually dead".  And the reason everyone needs to be born AGAIN.

I do not attribute the Spirit, the breath of God, as human ... this is how I see Scripture in this. Death was a separation of God from His created image due to sin... this of course leaving man a soulish body without s/Spiritual connection to God... After following satan's word of lie man forfeited God's Word of promise to Adam 'the earth given to him to take dominion of'... satan is now that place, by his force, or the one taking dominion of now... For me this clearly identifies why this Bible truth is so relevant 

Matthew 7:13 (KJV)

[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The only access we have to reality/truth is God's Word and yet we are creatures that began in a body totally reliant upon our senses directly tied to this world which satan now has forcible influence over... God's word must mean more to us than continued life in this body and world, the total of what we have, know sensually, and place God's Word in the place of everything that it is 'the narrow straight gate to Jesus'...

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2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

I do not attribute the Spirit, the breath of God, as human ... this is how I see Scripture in this. Death was a separation of God from His created image due to sin... this of course leaving man a soulish body without s/Spiritual connection to God... After following satan's word of lie man forfeited God's Word of promise to Adam 'the earth given to him to take dominion of'... satan is now that place, by his force, or the one taking dominion of now... For me this clearly identifies why this Bible truth is so relevant 

Matthew 7:13 (KJV)

[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The only access we have to reality/truth is God's Word and yet we are creatures that began in a body totally reliant upon our senses directly tied to this world which satan now has forcible influence over... God's word must mean more to us than continued life in this body and world, the total of what we have know sensually, and place God's Word in the place of everything that it is 'the narrow straight gate to Jesus'...

Are you referring to this?

The phrase "created in the image of God" means that humans have been given the same moral, spiritual, and intellectual qualities as God. It does not mean that humans are literally like God in appearance


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1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Are you referring to this?

The phrase "created in the image of God" means that humans have been given the same moral, spiritual, and intellectual qualities as God. It does not mean that humans are literally like God in appearance

No, I was referring to the quote...


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10 hours ago, enoob57 said:

FreeGrace said:

When Adam sinned, what died "on the day" was his human spirit. That is why every human is born with a dead human spirit, which is described as being "spiritually dead".  And the reason everyone needs to be born AGAIN.

I do not attribute the Spirit, the breath of God, as human ...

God breathed it into man, so it involves a human.  

10 hours ago, enoob57 said:

this is how I see Scripture in this. Death was a separation of God from His created image due to sin... this of course leaving man a soulish body without s/Spiritual connection to God...

What I have to deal with are the clear words:  RE-generation, born AGAIN, made ALIVE.  These are literal things.  And 1 Thess 5:23 speaks of 3 things involved in humans;  body, soul and spirit.  And they are literal as well.  So the only thing that makes sense to me regarding what died "on the day" Adam ate the fruit would be the human spirit.  Souls don't die, and Adam didn't die until 930 years later (Gen 5:5).  

And being born with a dead human spirit explains the words "spiritually dead".  Yes, we are separated from God, because our human spirit is dead at birth.  Which is why we MUST be born again.  In order to be able to worship God, per John 4:24.

Heb 4:12 indicates the soul and spirit can be separated.  They are related but separate.  Just as bone and marrow are related but separate.

10 hours ago, enoob57 said:

 

 


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19 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes and Amen!  Mankind lost the image of God through the fall, but Christ came to restore us to that.  Christ is the perfect image of God in man.  We are now "being transformed into the same image, from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit." (2 Cor 3:18)

Here's some pertinent excerpts from a Charles Wesley (altered by Whitefield) song often sung:

 Hail th’ incarnate Deity!
Pleased as man with man to dwell,
  Jesus our Immanuel.

Born to raise the sons of earth;
  Born to give them second birth.

Come, Desire of nations, come!
  Fix in us Thy humble home:
Rise, the woman’s conqu’ring seed,
  Bruise in us the serpent’s head;
Adam’s likeness now efface,
  Stamp Thine image in its place:
Final Adam from above,
  Reinstate us in Thy love.

"The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit" to get into us so we may be "conformed into the image of His firstborn Son" Who is in the full image of God, thereby "bringing many sons into glory". (see 1 Cor 15:45, Rom 8:29 & Heb 2:10)

I don’t believe Adam (mankind) lost the (express) image of God because he never had it. Christ was born of a woman in the image of  Adam (man) and became a life giving Spirit in the image of God. Image is begotten from a seed which produces likeness. In Adam’s case the seed was God’s word (breath of life - spirit) placed in a vessel of dirt and Adam was born in the flesh in his own image… the image of man…Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image. The flesh is from the ground and is as dirt and the dirt flesh can receive a seed (Spirit) and be born again. 

In Christ’s case the seed was God’s Spirit not the seed of man but born of a women in man’s image, Jesus was God in a body of flesh thus did not need to be born again.

Adam like all of mankind needed to be born again of the Spirit. Born again was not possible until Christ became the life giving Spirit when he returned to the Father and then descended as Spirit to indwell us giving us eternal life through the process of being born again of the Spirit.

To have the image of God all mankind must be born of the Spirit not born in the flesh.

When God said …let us make man in our own image it was fulfilled in Christ not Adam.
 

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12 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

 So the only thing that makes sense to me regarding what died "on the day" Adam ate the fruit would be the human spirit.

If you are saying the spirit is the breath of life that God placed in Adam at creation, how then can a soul live when the breath of life is dead?

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