Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[luigi]

3 minutes ago, Alive said:

A Kingdom is defined by the 'authority' that rules---love may be evident there, but that love is not the Kingdom. For clarity the word kingdom could be replaced with 'reign''. If this is accurate then you are stating that God 'reigns' inside every person.

Do you see where this leads us?

Whatever you love, that is what reigns in your heart.

Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

[Alive]

What of these individuals Jesus addresses?

““You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born as a result of sexual immorality; we have one Father: God.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from God and am here; for I have not even come on My own, but He sent Me. “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot listen to My word. “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies.”

(John 8:41-44 NAS20)

https://accordance.bible/link/read/NAS20S#John_8:41

[Retrobyter]

17 hours ago, Locust said:

perhaps you missed that's there is only one way to salvation . reject it and there is no salvation . the Jews rejected Jesus back then they reject him now . 

Shalom, @Locust.

This is why terminology is so important. "Salvation" is really the WRONG WORD for one's standing with God. It should actually be termed "God's justification" of an individual.

See, "salvation" which is the Hebrew word "יְשׁוּעַת" or "yshuw`at" (which is the same as Yeeshuwa`s or Jesus' name with a tav tacked on to form a noun construct, found in Exodus 14:13), means "RESCUE" or "DELIVERANCE!" In Greek, it's the words "τὴν σωτηρίαν" or "teen sooteerian," as found in the Septuagint version of that verse, which means the same thing with the definite article first. And, what is the verse talking about? It's talking about the children of Israel CROSSING THE RED SEA!

So, in prophecy, this SAME WORD (and the SAME WORDS in the Greek NT) are talking about the RESCUE or DELIVERANCE that He shall perform when He returns! It's what Jeremiah was talking about in Jeremiah 23:

Jeremiah 23:1-8 (KJV)

1 "Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!" saith the LORD. 2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people;

"Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings," saith the LORD.

3 "And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking," saith the LORD.

5 "Behold, the days come," saith the LORD, "that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice IN THE EARTH. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

7 "Therefore, behold, the days come," saith the LORD, "that they shall no more say,

"'The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt';

8 But, 'The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries' whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell IN THEIR OWN LAND."

And, you might be missing the simple truth:

1 John 5:1 (KJV)

1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus (Yeeshuwa`) is the Christ (the Messiah) is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

DEATH IS NOT THE END! There's a RESURRECTION for His people! And, guess who they will see when they are resurrected? Yeeshuwa` the Messiah of God!

REMEMBER THIS PROMISE:

Ezekiel 37:12-14 (KJV)

12 "Therefore prophesy and say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it]," saith the LORD.'"

[Locust]

7 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

"RESCUE" or "DELIVERANCE!"

from death .  either before death .or to be resurrected, saved from death 

[Anne2]

5 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @Locust.

This is why terminology is so important. "Salvation" is really the WRONG WORD for one's standing with God. It should actually be termed "God's justification" of an individual.

See, "salvation" which is the Hebrew word "יְשׁוּעַת" or "yshuw`at" (which is the same as Yeeshuwa`s or Jesus' name with a tav tacked on to form a noun construct, found in Exodus 14:13), means "RESCUE" or "DELIVERANCE!" In Greek, it's the words "τὴν σωτηρίαν" or "teen sooteerian," as found in the Septuagint version of that verse, which means the same thing with the definite article first. And, what is the verse talking about? It's talking about the children of Israel CROSSING THE RED SEA!

So, in prophecy, this SAME WORD (and the SAME WORDS in the Greek NT) are talking about the RESCUE or DELIVERANCE that He shall perform when He returns! It's what Jeremiah was talking about in Jeremiah 23:

Jeremiah 23:1-8 (KJV)

1 "Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture!" saith the LORD. 2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people;

"Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings," saith the LORD.

3 "And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking," saith the LORD.

5 "Behold, the days come," saith the LORD, "that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice IN THE EARTH. 6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

7 "Therefore, behold, the days come," saith the LORD, "that they shall no more say,

"'The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt';

8 But, 'The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries' whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell IN THEIR OWN LAND."

And, you might be missing the simple truth:

1 John 5:1 (KJV)

1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus (Yeeshuwa`) is the Christ (the Messiah) is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

DEATH IS NOT THE END! There's a RESURRECTION for His people! And, guess who they will see when they are resurrected? Yeeshuwa` the Messiah of God!

REMEMBER THIS PROMISE:

Ezekiel 37:12-14 (KJV)

12 "Therefore prophesy and say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it]," saith the LORD.'"

Hi retro. Nice post!

IMO, salvation is in levels. Like you said about salvation crossing the red sea. I think This verse speaks well to the notion of the farthest level, or greatest extent levels of salvation..

Heb 7:25  Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Levels of heaven, levels of wrath, to further distance of a boundary, etc.

Salvation in every way possible....

[Locust]

12 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

salvation crossing the red sea

saved from death

[Retrobyter]

2 minutes ago, Locust said:

saved from death

RIGHT! And, so shall they be "saved from death" in the RESURRECTION! DEATH IS NOT THE END! Yeeshuwa` is the Resurrection and the Life! And, HE says when a person can no longer be rescued from the Second Death! It wasn't the end for Lazarus, and it won't be the end for the children of Israel, either!

[Anne2]

25 minutes ago, Locust said:

saved from death

Yes salvation to the uttermost in Christ Jesus. Salvation from death, salvation from condemnation in the resurrection to everlasting life.

Da 12:2  And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Vs. Salvation here with Moses

Ex 14:13  And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.

Edited April 27 by Anne2

[Locust]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

DEATH IS NOT THE END

it is if that person does not get a resurrection. and it is if after receiving a resurrection is then found to be unworthy of continued life  

[Locust]

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

RIGHT! And, so shall they be "saved from death" in the RESURRECTION! DEATH IS NOT THE END! Yeeshuwa` is the Resurrection and the Life! And, HE says when a person can no longer be rescued from the Second Death! It wasn't the end for Lazarus, and it won't be the end for the children of Israel, either!

matthew 23:38 

the favored status was then gone . 

acts 15:14

isreal is out of it