BUSTED -12 False Theories Refuted

[truth7t7]

59 minutes ago, The Light said:

How do you possibly conclude this? Making this kind of statement is simply your attempt not to address the facts that I have presented in scripture.

The Jews are the Chosen people of God. Those that bless the Jewish people will be blessed and those that curse the Jewish people will be cursed.

Not even the slightest of chances that I would exalt a group over Israel. I just understand that God says there are two folds, and the Gentiles will be the first fold.

The National Ethnic Jew practicing Judaism is no more God's chosen people than the African, Chinese, or the European, God has no respect for person or National Ethnic Heritage or Religious practice Judaism

[The Light]

I'm still waiting on your post regarding the 144,000 where Jesus comes to the earth for the first fruits.

You said you made 5 posts regarding this, but I am unable to find one.

I should be able to locate at least one of these 5 posts but I can't

[Keras]

On 5/6/2025 at 4:36 PM, Retrobyter said:

So, I would argue that this FIFTH Seal, which speaks of the Resurrection, which also hasn't happened, yet, comes before the signs of the Sixth Seal in Revelation 6:12-17.

Yes; the Fifth Seal was opened by Jesus at His Ascension. All the Christian martyrs have their souls/spirits kept under the Altar in heaven. It is them who cry out for their killers to be punished, Revelation 6:9-11, 19:1-8

The Sixth Seal is the world changer which will commence all the end times events.  It will not be the glorious Return, as the Lord is not seen on that Day. Psalms 18:11 Hab 3:4

On 5/6/2025 at 5:02 PM, The Light said:

Are you telling you don't know what determines a Jew or a Gentile?

Obviously; you do not know!

When walking the streets of Jerusalem, as I have, the tourists are easily identifiable, but the Israeli citizens are a mixture of every people group. Your desperate attempts to exalt the Jewish Israelis; fails miserably, as none of them have any provable claim to descent from Judah. 

[The Light]

16 hours ago, Keras said:

Yes; the Fifth Seal was opened by Jesus at His Ascension. All the Christian martyrs have their souls/spirits kept under the Altar in heaven. It is them who cry out for their killers to be punished, Revelation 6:9-11, 19:1-8

None of the seals are opened. If they are, who is the Antichrist.

16 hours ago, Keras said:

The Sixth Seal is the world changer which will commence all the end times events.  It will not be the glorious Return, as the Lord is not seen on that Day. Psalms 18:11 Hab 3:4

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Here is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. He is coming for a harvest. After the harvest the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Matthew 24

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

16 hours ago, Keras said:

Obviously; you do not know!

When walking the streets of Jerusalem, as I have, the tourists are easily identifiable, but the Israeli citizens are a mixture of every people group. Your desperate attempts to exalt the Jewish Israelis; fails miserably, as none of them have any provable claim to descent from Judah. 

hmmm.....

Romans 11

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

[Keras]

5 hours ago, The Light said:

None of the seals are opened. If they are, who is the Antichrist.

The Anti-Christ; 'beast', will only be revealed when he sits in the Temple. 2 Thess 2:4

The riders and the four horses, are just allegories; for what is described. 

5 hours ago, The Light said:

Here is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. He is coming for a harvest. After the harvest the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

This is sheer pretentious rubbish. Jesus does not 'come', or Return at the Sixth Seal. He sends His fiery wrath to destroy His enemies and the change the world. Psalms 11:4-6, Hab 3:4   The Seventh Seal is a time gap, no more, no less. 

Your quote of Romans 11:18-21, proves my case!

Nowhere does it, or anywhere else in the Bible, tell of a general Jewish redemption. The natural branches - the Jews; are broken off and Paul says they can be regrafted back, but for other than a small remnant, they won't be. 

Those who promote theories, as you do, are taking big risk, - James 3:1

[WilliamL]

22 hours ago, Keras said:

The Sixth Seal is the world changer which will commence all the end times events.  It will not be the glorious Return, as the Lord is not seen on that Day. Psalms 18:11 Hab 3:4

Rev. 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Rev. 6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal... 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

One does not hid from a face that one has not at first seen!

[Retrobyter]

23 hours ago, Keras said:

Yes; the Fifth Seal was opened by Jesus at His Ascension. All the Christian martyrs have their souls/spirits kept under the Altar in heaven. It is them who cry out for their killers to be punished, Revelation 6:9-11, 19:1-8

The Sixth Seal is the world changer which will commence all the end times events.  It will not be the glorious Return, as the Lord is not seen on that Day. Psalms 18:11 Hab 3:4

Shalom, @Keras.

See, this is what comes from not understanding that "soul" MEANS an "air-breathing creature!" The Resurrection did NOT happen at Yeeshuwa`s ("Jesus'") Ascension! But, the Resurrection is ESSENTIAL for having people "BREATHE" again! Thus, the Fifth Seal IS the Resurrection! It's just that they are not AVENGED until all have been killed and resurrected! Then, they are ALL avenged at the same time! And, this will be when the Messiah routes all of His enemies out of His Land!

Zechariah 12-14 tell this account better than does Revelation:

23 hours ago, Keras said:

Obviously; you do not know!

When walking the streets of Jerusalem, as I have, the tourists are easily identifiable, but the Israeli citizens are a mixture of every people group. Your desperate attempts to exalt the Jewish Israelis; fails miserably, as none of them have any provable claim to descent from Judah. 

You're right in that the modern nation of Israel DOES allow people to become citizens for several reasons. Here's what Google will research for us:

PATHS TO ISRAELI CITIZENSHIP: 

Birth:

Children born in Israel to at least one Israeli citizen parent are automatically citizens. 

Descent:

Individuals with Jewish ancestry, including children and grandchildren of Jews, can apply for citizenship. 

Marriage:

Spouses of Israeli citizens can apply for citizenship after living together in Israel for a specific period, typically 5 years. 

Other Cases:

There are also special cases for citizenship, such as for individuals who were born in Israel before a certain date, or who were residents of certain areas prior to the establishment of the state. 

Aliyah (Immigration) under the Law of Return:

This is the primary path for Jews and those with Jewish ancestry. It allows them to immigrate to Israel and automatically become citizens. 

Naturalization:

Non-Jewish individuals can apply for citizenship after meeting specific requirements, including residency, language proficiency, and renouncing their previous nationalities. 

KEY REQUIREMENTS:

Jewish Ancestry:

For citizenship under the Law of Return, individuals must prove their Jewish lineage through documentation. 

Residency:

For naturalization, individuals must demonstrate that they have resided in Israel for a specific period, typically 3 years, while holding permanent residency. 

Language Proficiency:

Hebrew language proficiency is often a requirement for naturalization. 

Renunciation of Previous Citizenship:

Non-Jewish individuals naturalizing in Israel are usually required to renounce their previous nationalities. 

Loyalty Oath:

Citizenship applicants may be required to take an oath of loyalty to Israel. 

Important Notes:

The specific requirements and procedures for obtaining Israeli citizenship can vary depending on the individual's circumstances and the path they are taking. 

It's recommended to consult with the Israeli government or legal professionals for accurate and up-to-date information on the process. 

So, yes, many citizens of the state of Israel are NOT "children of Israel" by birth, BUT the majority ARE "children of Israel," and if their lineage is from the tribe of Yhudah, then they are also "Jews." One might be confused by those who adhere to the practices of faith in the Jewish religion, often referred to as "Judaism," but that is NOT what makes a person a "Jew."

 

[Keras]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Rev. 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

This Prophecy refers to the glorious Return. Not the Sixth Seal event. 

Proved by how Jesus will come on the clouds of heaven... Matthew 24:30

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

One does not hid from a face that one has not at first seen!

Careful reading of Revelation 6:12-17, shows the peoples do not actually see the One who sits upon the Throne.  Also it is the wrath of the Lamb, they desperately try to hide from. 

How can that event be also the Return of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, when there is yet to happen the Seventh Seal and the 7 Trumpets and Bowls? 

Revelation 9:5 proves there is time that must pass between the Sixth seal and the 6th & 7th Bowls, which are Armageddon. 

[Keras]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Thus, the Fifth Seal IS the Resurrection! It's just that they are not AVENGED until all have been killed and resurrected! Then, they are ALL avenged at the same time! And, this will be when the Messiah routes all of His enemies out of His Land!

Which does not happen until Jesus Returns, at the 6 & 7h Bowls. Rev 16:12-18

Those martyred people will be avenged when God sits on the Great White Throne and opens the Book of Life. They will receive immortality, their killers will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. 

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

So, yes, many citizens of the state of Israel are NOT "children of Israel" by birth, BUT the majority ARE "children of Israel," and if their lineage is from the tribe of Yhudah, then they are also "Jews." One might be confused by those who adhere to the practices of faith in the Jewish religion, often referred to as "Judaism," but that is NOT what makes a person a "Jew."

Paul confirms who a true Jew is; Romans 2:29 ALL the rest are fakes and belong to the synagogue of Satan. Rev 2:9b

The belief of a general Jewish redemption is wrong and unbiblical. Over 20 Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of Judah; Luke 20:14-16, Luke 19:27

WE Christians are the peoples who bear the proper fruit, [of the Spirit] Matthew 21:43