BUSTED -12 False Theories Refuted

[In1]

40 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @In1.

I guess, the best way to answer this is to note that similarity does NOT mean equality. Not in mathematics, and therefore, not in logic. We can visually see this in geometry, because while two triangles may be similar, having the same angles, they may also not be equal, having proportional sides that are not equal.

I'm going to take a step back and define terms:

subjective | səbˈjektiv | 

adjective 

1 BASED ON OR INFLUENCED BY PERSONAL FEELINGS, TASTES, OR OPINIONS. 
Contrasted with objective: his views are highly subjective | there is always the danger of making a subjective judgment. 
• dependent on the mind or on an individual's perception for its existence. 

2 Grammar relating to or denoting a case of nouns and pronouns used for the subject of a sentence. 

(the subjective) noun Grammar

the subjective case. 

derivatives subjectiveness | səbˈjektəvnəs | noun 

origin 

late Middle English (originally in the sense ‘characteristic of a political subject, submissive’): from Latin subjectivus, from subject- ‘brought under’ (see subject).

 

objective | əbˈjektiv | 

adjective 

1 (of a person or their judgment) NOT INFLUENCED BY PERSONAL FEELINGS OR OPINIONS IN CONSIDERING AND REPRESENTING FACTS. 
Contrasted with subjective: historians try to be objective and impartial. 
• not dependent on the mind for existence; actual: a matter of objective fact. 

2 [attributive] Grammar 

relating to or denoting a case of nouns and pronouns used as the object of a transitive verb or a preposition. 

noun 

1 a thing aimed at or sought; a goal: the system has achieved its objective. 

2 (the objective) Grammar the objective case. 

3 (also objective lens) the lens in a telescope or microscope nearest to the object observed: examine with high power objective. 

derivatives objectiveness | əbˈjektivnəs | noun 

origin 

early 17th century: via French from medieval Latin objectivus, from objectum (see object).

 

As to defining "works" and "faith," we must go back to how the authors of the New Testament used the words in context:

The Greek word translated as "works" is "ἔργα," the plural of "ἔργον":

G2041 ἔργον érgon, er'-gon; from a primary (but obsolete) ἔργω érgō (to work); toil (as an effort or occupation); by implication, an act:
—deed, doing, labour, work.

These last four words are how the Greek word was translated into English in the KJV.

The Greek word usually translated as "faith" is "πίστις." Sometimes the verb forms (G3982 πείθω to persuade or G4100 πιστεύω to trust; believe) are translated in context to make a noun form:

G4102 πίστις pístis, pis'-tis; from G3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:
—assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

G3982 πείθω peíthō, pi'-tho; a primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy, to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively, to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty):
—agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) confident, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

G4100 πιστεύω pisteúō, pist-yoo'-o; from G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):
—believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

I thought to include all the verses that contain both words, but thought better of doing so. I already post replies that are too big.

Suffice it to say that I've done so; and these definitions as given in Strong's Concordance are fairly accurate.

"Works" themselves are "deeds" or "performances" of things we can do. They can be either "good" or "bad/evil," but in Paul's writings, for instance, he is frequently referring to "the perfomance of GOOD deeds" when he said, "works." But, we have Paul saying to Peter,

Galatians 2:15-16 (KJV)

15 "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 Knowing that A MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even WE HAVE BELIEVED IN JESUS CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST, AND NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW: for by the works of the law shall NO FLESH be justified."

Paul said to Titus, his "own son after the common faith," his pupil, a Greek who was not circumcised,

Titus 3:1-8 (KJV)

1 Put them in mind ...
to be subject to principalities and powers,
to obey magistrates,
to be ready to every good work,
2 To speak evil of no man,
to be no brawlers,

[but] gentle,
shewing all meekness unto all men.
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, [and] hating one another. 4 But AFTER that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

8 [This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have BELIEVED IN GOD might be careful to maintain GOOD WORKS. These things are good and profitable unto men.

So, I don't really know how you're making the comparison, but the works of the Law are not only the "deeds performed in keeping the Law of God," but may also include the "deeds" by which some think they will be justified, such as "going to church," or "getting baptized," or "taking the Eucharist," or ... !  NONE of those things will justify an individual! GOD must step in and justify a person, and He does it when a person TRUSTS in Him to do it! That's what "faith" is. It's TRUST in God, not only to perform the Sacrifice, but in applying it to 

 ... the objective truth of the universe declares the glory of one no one has ever seen.

Faith, objctive or subjective?

Edited May 19 by In1

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, In1 said:

 ... the objective truth of the universe declares the glory of one no one has ever seen.

Faith, objctive or subjective?

Shalom, @In1.

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

1 Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.

What "substance?" The substance is the scrolls and papyrii and vellum upon which the words are penned with the ink in use at the time.

What "evidence?" The evidence is presented in the rest of Hebrews 11! It is the actual ACCOUNTS of the lives of individuals down through time who DEMONSTRATED that faith in God and received VALIDATION from GOD HIMSELF for their FAITH!

It's not just the "things hoped for" or the "things not seen," as so many have read this verse to mean. It is the TANGIBLE SUBSTANCE and the INVESTIGATIVE EVIDENCE! It's not about a person's viewpoint or opinion. It's WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS! PERIOD! One can only understand that through the grammatical, historical method of interpretation. One may NEVER be authorized to "put a spin" on what God's Word actually says!

Therefore, Faith is objective. We don't just believe it is true; the Scriptures are true, whether we believe them or not! They are TRUSTWORTHY AND IMMUTABLE!

[In1]

37 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @In1.

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

1 Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.

What "substance?" The substance is the scrolls and papyrii and vellum upon which the words are penned with the ink in use at the time.

What "evidence?" The evidence is presented in the rest of Hebrews 11! It is the actual ACCOUNTS of the lives of individuals down through time who DEMONSTRATED that faith in God and received VALIDATION from GOD HIMSELF for their FAITH!

It's not just the "things hoped for" or the "things not seen," as so many have read this verse to mean. It is the TANGIBLE SUBSTANCE and the INVESTIGATIVE EVIDENCE! It's not about a person's viewpoint or opinion. It's WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS! PERIOD! One can only understand that through the grammatical, historical method of interpretation. One may NEVER be authorized to "put a spin" on what God's Word actually says!

Therefore, Faith is objective. We don't just believe it is true; the Scriptures are true, whether we believe them or not! They are TRUSTWORTHY AND IMMUTABLE!

This is not the world's take on it ... which is my point ...

 

To me substance is his very person ...

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[Retrobyter]

6 hours ago, In1 said:

This is not the world's take on it ... which is my point ...

 

To me substance is his very person ...

Shalom, @In1.

Which "world" are you talking about? The "world" in the Bible is not very reliable:

Paul said,

Romans 12:1-2 (KJV)

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

James 4:4 (KJV)

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)

15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

[In1]

11 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, @In1.

Which "world" are you talking about? The "world" in the Bible is not very reliable:

Paul said,

Romans 12:1-2 (KJV)

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

James 4:4 (KJV)

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 John 2:15-17 (KJV)

15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

I mean as science (governed by our five senses) sees faith ... 

[Revelation Man]

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.

1/ The Church is raptured to heaven:

Jesus said 3 times, that we must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13

The holy peoples of God are present in the Holy Land in the end times. Rev 13:7

The righteous will possess the Land and live there forever. Psalms 37:29

Still batting about 222 it seems, which is really bad in baseball.

 

Matt. 24:13 was a SPECIFIC ANNOUNCEMENT to Jesus' disciples, it was never about the end times. He told them the END IS NOT YET in vs. 6, then showed why the end would be much later on in verses 7-8, then told them they would all die in verses 9-13 and told them they must endure, unlike Judas who fell to the wayside.

The Holy People is a generic name used for Israel, it means they are a chosen separated peoples, it doesn't mean ever person will make it to heaven.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

2/ Preterism -the belief that most Prophesies have happened in the past:

Disproved by the historical facts. What is Prophesied does not match past events.

Psalms 83 actually refers to past battles, as examples of future ones.

2 Peter 1:19 tells everyone to study the Prophesies for our enlightenment.

Even when you get something right you get Psalm 83 wrong, even though it is  NOW PAST that happened from 1948 to 1973ish.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

3/ An ethnic Jewish redemption:

Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews who are mostly those who wrongly call themselves Jews; Revelation 2:9b, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7

This false idea was made up to support the rapture;- Jewish Israel on earth and the Church in heaven. Neither is Biblical and neither will happen. 

You show yourself to have zero understanding of what God is doing by espousing this junk food fodder. 

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

4/ AMillenniumism, - we are in the Millennium now:

This idea, is patently wrong as Jesus is not now ruling the world. Matthew 4:8-9

Revelation 20 mentions a thousand year period after Jesus Returns; 6 times.

The thousand years will be the Sabbath period, the last tranche of the 7000 year time for God’s Plan for mankind to be completed. 

Part of the 222 batting average.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

5/ We are in the new Covenant with God now:

Jesus fulfilled His part of the new Covenant at the Last Supper.

But it will not be until all the Christian peoples are gathered into all of the holy Land, that the holy people of God, will make the New Covenant with Him. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12,  - all remain unfulfilled.

The New Covenant was the ORIGNAL PROMISE, we are in it now, but only IF we are covered by Jesus' Blood.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

6/ A new Temple:

Those who say: We Christians are the Temple of God, - are correct for this 2000 year Church age. That truth does not preclude a new Temple being built in Jerusalem.

Men will come from far away to build it, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9. Ezekiel 40 to 43:17, specifies the construction of it.

 

Temple just means Dwelling Place, the Tabernacle was the first "temple" so to speak and that word means dwelling place.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

7/ Jesus is the one and only Sacrifice for our sins:

True, but God does not change, Malachi 3:6, and He will require thank offerings and sacrifices for inadvertent sins, in the Temple. Ezekiel 43:18 to 46:24, Zechariah 14:16-21, and Daniel 9:27 proves that Temple sacrifices will be made again.

Isaiah 56:1-8….Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar….

Those OFFERINGS will be done in Prayer, not by meat Sacrifices.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

8/ Jewish Israelis own the holy Land:

They now have control of a small part of the holy Land, but they are in apostasy and punishment is Prophesied – with only a Christian remnant surviving. Romans 9:27

Jesus said: the Kingdom is taken from you and given to the peoples who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43  I will uproot the evil neighbours and Judah too; I will uproot. Only those who follow the Way of Life, can live there. Jeremiah 12:14

I will give the Land to new owners…..Jeremiah 8:1-13   My chosen ones will live there Isaiah 65:9

The Jews who reside in Judea hence the NAME TAG that seems to so Confuse you, are all 12 tribes, there were never any lost tribes. They now live in Israel, but it is God's land, not theirs. Hence when they join the E.U. that sets off every thing, the Pre Trib. Rapture you cant get right, and the 70th week events.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

9/ We Christians are conscious after death:

The dead know nothing; Eccl 9;5-6, and cannot praise God. Psalms 115:17

David sleeps in his grave ….. Acts 13:36

Only after the Millennium, at the Great White Throne Judgment, everyone who has ever lived will stand before God. Revelation 20:11-15  In a Spiritually aware state.

The Church is Raptured to heaven as are the Dead in Christ BEFORE the 2nd Coming. Thus we marry the Lamb then rreturn.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

10/ The Anti-Christ [beast] will be a Jew, he will purport to be the Messiah;

Nahum 1:11 From you Assyria, comes a wicked councillor, one who plots evil against the Lord. 2 Thess 2:4 He will sit in the Temple, demanding worship of himself; or the penalty of death. Revelation 13:8

 

The False Prophet will be a Jew. The Anti-Christ will be or was born in Greece, he will have Old Assyrian Blood, and thus he is eligible to be the E.U. President as Dan. 7:7-8 says.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

11/ The Return of Jesus will be like a thief;- unexpected:

This belief is extremely presumptuous and is downright disgusting.

 Jesus will Return in glory; with the trumpet blast of God, 1 Thess 4:16 and be seen by all. Revelation 1:7, Rev 19:11-21

The unexpected Day, will be the terrible Day the Lord sends Hs fiery wrath, which will come without warning, shocking everyone and changing the world. Rev 6:11-17

The return for the Church PRE TRIB. is like a thief. The 2nd coming is a KNOWN ENTITY.

On 4/30/2025 at 3:03 PM, Keras said:

12/ The Sixth Seal is a localized event and is part of the Great Tribulation:

The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, will commence all of the end time Prophesies.

Terrible signs in the sky with the seas roaring and surging, people will be terrified and not know which way to turn. Luke 21:25-26 & 35, it will come upon everyone the whole world over.

Isaiah 34:1-8 Listen; you peoples …the Lord ‘s anger is against all the nations. He gives them over to slaughter and destruction. The heavens will be rolled up, Revelation 6:14, and the mountains moved. For the Lord has a Day of vengeance with  His Sword of retribution. Hebrews 10:27 & 30

In order for us to be prepared for the dramatic and testing times ahead we should be sure of what the Lord has told us, thru His Prophets. For the faithful and ready people, who know what to expect, it will be bearable. But to many the shock and terror may be unbearable.

 

The 6th Seal DOES NOTHING, all the Wrath are in the 7 Trumpet Judgments.

[Retrobyter]

18 minutes ago, In1 said:

I mean as science (governed by our five senses) sees faith ... 

Shalom, @In1.

Our senses can deceive us, and that fact is frequently used by magicians and charlatans every day! Our senses cannot detect God; He is the Creator and is therefore SUPERIOR to His Creation, outside of time and space that He has created! Just the same, He PERMEATES His Creation! So much so that David said,

Psalm 139:7-12 (KJV)

7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there]. 9 [If] I take the wings of the morning, [and] dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light [are] both alike [to thee].

This is why SCIENCE (especially that "science" falsely so-called) is INCOMPLETE. They are the ones today who "strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel!" Science doesn't know "faith." Faith is trust in God. Our modern "science" has left God out a long time ago!
They worry about the environment; God CONTROLS our environment!
They worry about resources; God PROVIDES resources!
They worry about the Universe; God MADE the Universe!
They look for life outside our world; God CREATED a GREAT VARIETY of life RIGHT HERE on this planet!

Atheists don't want to admit it, but atheism IS a religion! It's what they BELIEVE! They trust in their OWN hypotheses and theories, and ASSUME THEY are correct! It's a form of self-idolatry! "Why should anyone believe in God when they've got ME? I'M the expert!"

[Keras]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Still batting about 222 it seems, which is really bad in baseball.

The Lord is soon to deliver the king hit, and you haven't got a clue about it. 

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Holy People is a generic name used for Israel, it means they are a chosen separated peoples, it doesn't mean ever person will make it to heaven.

1/ There will never be a rapture to heaven, that is not our destiny,

The holy Peoples are everyone who has faith in God. NOT anyone who calls themselves Israel. 

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Even when you get something right you get Psalm 83 wrong, even though it is  NOW PAST that happened from 1948 to 1973ish.

2/ This makes you a preterist. 

Anyone reading Psalms 83 can see how wrong you are. 

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You show yourself to have zero understanding of what God is doing by espousing this junk food fodder. 

3/ You show yourself to be a biased and incapable of understanding the many Prophesies about the fate of Jewish Israel. 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Part of the 222 batting average.     

4/ Believers in the AMillennium doctrine, are outright Bible deniers. 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The New Covenant was the ORIGNAL PROMISE, we are in it now, but only IF we are covered by Jesus' Blood.

5/ You obviously haven't bothered to look up the verses I provided. They show the new Covenant is for the protection and prosperity of the Holy peoples in the Land.

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Temple just means Dwelling Place, the Tabernacle was the first "temple" so to speak and that word means dwelling place.

6/ There has to be a new physical Temple. Satan will desecrate it and Jesus will reign from it.

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Those OFFERINGS will be done in Prayer, not by meat Sacrifices.

7. Another exhibition of your inability to read plain scripture, Zechariah 14:21

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Jews who reside in Judea hence the NAME TAG that seems to so Confuse you, are all 12 tribes, there were never any lost tribes.

8/ Rubbish! Even the Jews disagree with you. The gathering of Ezekiel 20:33-38, is yet to happen. 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Church is Raptured to heaven as are the Dead in Christ BEFORE the 2nd Coming. Thus we marry the Lamb then rreturn.

9/ Fanciful dreams! None of that is scriptural, all false teachings. 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The False Prophet will be a Jew. The Anti-Christ will be or was born in Greece, he will have Old Assyrian Blood, and thus he is eligible to be the E.U. President as Dan. 7:7-8 says.

10/ You may be correct, but not about the European Union; the Fourth Kingdom will be worldwide. 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The return for the Church PRE TRIB. is like a thief. The 2nd coming is a KNOWN ENTITY.

11/ It will be the Lords Day of fiery wrath, that will surprise everyone. 

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The 6th Seal DOES NOTHING, all the Wrath are in the 7 Trumpet Judgments.

12/ This wrong assertion, caps all your errors and confirms to all; the unreliability of your teachings. 

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Keras said:

1/ There will never be a rapture to heaven, that is not our destiny,

The holy Peoples are everyone who has faith in God. NOT anyone who calls themselves Israel. 

NO....The Church will not even be here, this is why you guys get everything wrong, its throws you off kilter.

2 hours ago, Keras said:

2/ This makes you a preterist. 

Anyone reading Psalms 83 can see how wrong you are. 

WRONG...a Preterist sees everything as being in the past, I don't, but some things ARE IN THE PAST RIGHT? So, if you say Jesus died 2000 years ago does that make you a preterist? See what a silly point that is? I just stated these Psalm 83 wars happened during my lifetime, I was born in 1964. You do understand not all prophesies happen at the very end right? Israel was Prophesied to be reborn, she was in 1948. 

2 hours ago, Keras said:

3/ You show yourself to be a biased and incapable of understanding the many Prophesies about the fate of Jewish Israel. 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I know more about the end times and what will go down with Israel/Jews than anyone you ever met. I do not think you are antisemitic, just Misinf0rmed, but most Jews would think different

2 hours ago, Keras said:

5/ You obviously haven't bothered to look up the verses I provided. They show the new Covenant is for the protection and prosperity of the Holy peoples in the Land.

I do not need to look things up, I know the bible from front to back

2 hours ago, Keras said:

6/ There has to be a new physical Temple. Satan will desecrate it and Jesus will reign from it.

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Probably will be, but the 1290 AoD is not the Anti-Christ,  its the False Prophet, a High High Priest after the order of Jason under Antiochus Epiphanes. 

2 hours ago, Keras said:

7. Another exhibition of your inability to read plain scripture, Zechariah 14:21

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

A prophet writes down what he knows. Anyone offering a MEAT SACRFICE is an afront to Jesus' sacrifice. Its mockery.

 

2 hours ago, Keras said:

8/ Rubbish! Even the Jews disagree with you. The gathering of Ezekiel 20:33-38, is yet to happen. 

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

For starters I look to the holy spirit, not Jewish men who have no holy spirit yet in them. So, thats a fail. Israel is now in the land all your protests that she is n not in the land means nothing to God.

2 hours ago, Keras said:

9/ Fanciful dreams! None of that is scriptural, all false teachings. 

FACTS...I know I am not seeing a man who is called unto Prophesy or Eschatology when he can't even get the simple rapture right.

2 hours ago, Keras said:

10/ You may be correct, but not about the European Union; the Fourth Kingdom will be worldwide. 

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

WRONG.........1/3 of the World (New World) is burning. Just as Greece conquered the WHOLE EARTH being SPOKEN ABOUT (the Mediterranean Sea Region ONLY) likewise  the 5th Beast of Daniel and 7th Beast of Revelation will only conquer the Mediterranean Sea Region. The fact you guys can not get this is wild, the AC want to kill all the Jews to stop God from ruling via His word  being kept, if the Jews are gone then His promises can  not be trusted, but you think he's goin g to try and conquer the whole world, which avails nothing if his JOB 1 is to kill all the Jews.

2 hours ago, Keras said:

11/ It will be the Lords Day of fiery wrath, that will surprise everyone. 

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Like a thief is the Pre Trib. Rapture

2 hours ago, Keras said:

12/ This wrong assertion, caps all your errors and confirms to all; the unreliability of your teachings. 

You will be doing mea culpas to me in Heaven, 

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You will be doing mea culpas to me in Heaven

For sure one of us will have to acknowledge their errors. Not only to our peers, but to the Lord, who will ask why people believed theories which have no scriptural support.

   The prime example of a false teaching is the pre-tribulation rapture. This idea denies many Scriptures that say; all will be tested, 1 Peter 4:12, Luke 21:35.  This leads to a careless attitude toward prophecy.  If you believe you are good enough and sufficiently holy to be taken directly to heaven, then you will be judged for judging yourself.  Humility and trust in the Lord’s saving grace, Isaiah 30:15, must be our attitude, not the pretentious belief of a removal from the earth to avoid any perceived difficulties. In John 17:15 Jesus asks for protection, not removal and in John 3:13 No one will go to heaven, only He who came from it.

2 Peter 2:1-3 In the past, there were false prophets among the people, just as now you will have false teachers. They will promote their theories and speculations, twisting Scripture to suit their fanciful notions. Many will follow their sheer fabrications and credulous people will make them rich and famous, but judgement waits for them: a long prepared destruction will fall upon their heads.

Jeremiah 23:16-17 The Lord says: Do not listen to your false prophets, who give you false hope and voice their own fancies, it is not the Lord’s Words they speak.  They say: ‘prosperity will be yours’ and to all who follow their devious beliefs: ‘No harm will befall you’.

Isaiah 29:9-12 The Lord says: I will place My spirit of mis-understanding upon all those who are ‘drunk, but not with wine’ [that is: who allow themselves to be fooled by false teachings], so it becomes impossible for them to see the truth.  Isaiah 8:16
People just need to properly search the scriptures and see whether or not that theory is scriptural. What it cannot be found anywhere in the Bible, then to not renounce it, is a serious matter and when you stand before God, Revelation 20:11-15, He may ask why you didn't.