What was God`s Purpose in making the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[Dennis1209]

3 hours ago, BibleStudent100 said:

Hi Dennis, you are spot on regarding WHY the ancients decided to put in the incredible amount of work required to build the ziggurat:  "They now said: “Come! Let us build a city for ourselves and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves, so that we will not be scattered over the entire face of the earth.” (Genesis 11:4).  The phrase "let us make a celebrated name for ourselves" is vague and it is possible that the descendants of Noah had heard the impressive stories of the strength and pride and self-assuredness of the fallen angels (the nephilim) and maybe they were making a tower to harken back to those days or to appease those "gods" with some thought of bringing back the "glory" days of strength and wickedness.  

To mount such a massive feat would have required incredible human strength and organization and motivation for Nimrod's followers and they all would have had to have some "buy in," as in what is in it for me?  Again, the motivation could have been, "let's create another society with super-human creatures and maybe we could be like them."

On a side note, have you all thought about this idea:  The fame and dread of the Nephilim could have given rise to many mythologies of heathen people (e.g. Greek mythology) who, after the confusion of languages at Babel, were scattered throughout the earth. 

Howdy!

Opinion – My World View

We are on the same sheet of music, so to speak.

Luke 17:26 (KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

To be brief, I think the implication of the verse above goes beyond the traditional view. Why did Jesus have to go many centuries back to cite His example? There was something unique that must have transpired (i.e., Gen. 3:15, Gen.6:1-4, DNA, genetic makeup).

If my exegetical view and many others are correct, compare our day with the days of Noah's generations, plural. I maintain Noah was perfect in the sense his genome was generationally uncontaminated. Today, we have DNA tinkering and splicing to alter human and animal biology; what is the prime ulterior motive to cross the "kind" barrier God established?

I suspect the primary Modus Operandi is greed, war, and global control. Think about the ramifications of soldiers with the eyes of an eagle, hearing like an owl, stamina of a wolf, strength of a bear, superior endurance, needing less food and sleep. Can a country survive an onslaught of this kind of technology without keeping up? Crispr-cas9 tinkering kits are available to any mad scientist or wan-a-be Dr. Jekyll.

The official announcements made for super-soldiers and a space force do not involve skeletal suits like those seen in Iron Man, as Wikipedia and others suggest. If anyone believes that, I am proud to announce I am selling the Washington phallus.

It is too lengthy to discuss, but how did Nazi Germany suddenly advance 50 years in technology seemingly overnight? I mentioned the LHC, where it is geographically located, and the pretense of what they are trying to accomplish in the hope of discovering the God particle.

Again, too lengthy to delve into: based on the biblical narrative and Hebrew word meanings, I suspect Nimrod "became" a Nephilim. There is an interesting story that I cannot prove or disprove, and it may be made up; however, what I have read comes from credible sources.

It is alleged that during the Gulf War, Nimrod's tomb was discovered, and the body was still entombed there. A special American secretive operation was conducted, and Nimrod's body was quickly whisked away and taken somewhere; if true, why.

To paraphrase Sen. John Kennedy and others, if it is a conspiracy theory, it is likely true. I am amazed at what has been discovered during these congressional inquiries, investigations, and testimonies. The coverups, lies, false information, and deceptions, everything from COVID-19 to UFOs (UAPs), now suddenly pose a national security risk and aviation hazard. The ongoing investigations, testimony, changes in reporting, engaging, policies, and procedures. I believe this is the first rung of disclosure and has everything to do with Matthew 24 and the deceptions Jesus warns about four times for emphasis.

Notice the arrogance and stupidity of the criteria and sources outlined below; they are investigating. The spiritual and dimensional are blatantly and obviously omitted.

Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

For those who believe in the government, I am also selling the White House and renting out the Lincoln bedroom.

Adjective: extraterrestrial.

1. Originating or located or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere

Noun: extraterrestrial

1. A form of life assumed to exist outside the Earth or its atmosphere. [WordWeb.info]

A person can get a Ph.D. in astrobiology; what have they found, and what are they studying?

Does anyone remember the panic in New York City on October 30, 1938, with Orson Welles's radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds?" Today, ho-hum, nothing to see here, citizen, move on. We have been radically conditioned through decades of exposure to superheroes and demi-gods (comic books, radio broadcasts, TV movies, documentaries, and programs, as well as SETI, etc.).

Our Bibles, pseudepigrapha, ancient texts, Jewish texts, ancient cultures, and ancient engraved stones have a lot to say about what we refer to as UFOs. What better explanation for the sudden disappearance of millions of people off the planet?  

 

[tatwo]

On 6/1/2025 at 8:01 AM, Dennis1209 said:

What if Israel had accepted Jesus as their Messiah?

I think He would have been pleased with that!

The plan of God however...was set and in place prior to anything in creation coming forth. The pre-creation covenant the Father made with His Son always had things going the way they did/are...we all know that. Besides Israel rejected God's offer to come into the eternal Royal Priesthood..."Melchisedek" who existed well prior to Israel...so it had to be the human based priesthood of the Levites...and them not going the way God would have preferred it to go for them...ever.

None the less...God’s eternal and ultimate purpose was to bring forth those “He predestined as His sons...which have been conformed to Christ.” We have become His poetry, a “re-created” people...if you will...that will fulfill the destiny He has given each of us, for we are joined to Yahshua, the Anointed Eternal One. Even before we were born, God planned in advance “our destiny” and the good works we would do to “live it out” in obedience to Him!

So in the “big picture” you know a thing we call “eternity”...no beginning no end...it was always about the bringing forth of the fully matured and spiritual “Royal Priesthood” comprised of the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Yahshua, the mediator of a New Covenant.

It was is going to be about the “invisible Spirit Man known as Christ” and it was/is never going to be about whether one is free or slave...male or female...Jew or Greek...these are designations that pertain only to the humanness of creation. As eternal beings we are no longer relegated to or identified by the Lord Yahshua...as mere human naming conventions. We are One New Spirit Man...One in Christ...One in God...eternal in our existence.

Tatwo...:)

[Marilyn C]

A few people have mentioned the `Nephilim. ` I just want to say here (and not get into a big discussion) that a `Son of God,` is holy and pure. Fallen angels are certainly not like that. They are `sons` of the devil. 

If people want to discuss that topic then please start another thread. 

[Marilyn C]

9 hours ago, tatwo said:

Greetings @Marilyn C and all...

I can and would love too...I was beginning to think that no one would ask.

 

In other words...”the Man in the image and likeness of God”...for which creation was abundantly "sown and purposed"...to bring forth...so that God the Father would have many Spirit sons in His only begotten Son the Lord Yahshua Christ...by His Spirit. It is these that He will “harvest from creation” and take into eternity to rule and reign as Christ the Son of the living God!

This Marilyn...covers the “purpose of God making the...nations, Israel, the Body of Christ.” I would be remiss if I did not include here that the mature members of Christ...are so...because they are living out the exact purpose in the Body of Christ that the Father “predestined...before creation” and desires them to live...and they know it.

They have been reconciled to their “eternal purpose in Christ”...it is these who will reveal the supremacy of Christ to His enemies...so...we are nearly prepared for and end of the age show down with darkness...and the judgment has already been awarded to the “Man in the image and likeness of God”...known as the Son of the living God and Father of creation...Christ.

Tatwo...:)

Hi Tatwo,

So glad to see you say that many sons are taken into eternity to rule and reign with Christ. I agree.

Now, where has each group been appointed to rule in Gods great kingdom in eternity? 

[Marathoner]

9 hours ago, tatwo said:

They have been reconciled to their “eternal purpose in Christ”...it is these who will reveal the supremacy of Christ to His enemies...so...we are nearly prepared for and end of the age show down with darkness...and the judgment has already been awarded to the “Man in the image and likeness of God”...known as the Son of the living God and Father of creation...Christ.

I have nothing to add to my brother's excellent words in this topic. I have isolated the above passage to emphasize the spiritual reality of the Lord's beloved and why He is pleased to display His power in us, His Body. Why?

First, so that His name shall be glorified upon this earth. Those who witness the power of the Lord know that it is He, and no other, who does what men deem impossible. 

Second, it is so that His Body will be strengthened, edified, and equipped to walk in our eternal purpose in Christ. We do so by walking in the Spirit upon this earth. The Spirit of the Lord is always with us --- and we are always with Him --- for we are His temple. 

Third, it is to make a mockery of the mighty upon their thrones of power in the high places. The spiritual powers of wickedness, those princes who will die like men, gloat upon their thrones in the heart of their dark principalities. These same princes influence the nations of man, having weakened them from days of old, and it is the honor of His holy ones to judge them all. 

There is no artificial partition separating the saints of God throughout time and space. There is only one true Vine --- Christ (John 15:1) --- and there is no Jew nor stranger in Him. In Him, we are one. (Galatians 3:28). Our revealing is the fourth purpose of the Lord for us all (Romans 8:19). 

As for the nations? They are deceived. 

[Marilyn C]

2 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I have nothing to add to my brother's excellent words in this topic. I have isolated the above passage to emphasize the spiritual reality of the Lord's beloved and why He is pleased to display His power in us, His Body. Why?

First, so that His name shall be glorified upon this earth. Those who witness the power of the Lord know that it is He, and no other, who does what men deem impossible. 

Second, it is so that His Body will be strengthened, edified, and equipped to walk in our eternal purpose in Christ. We do so by walking in the Spirit upon this earth. The Spirit of the Lord is always with us --- and we are always with Him --- for we are His temple. 

Third, it is to make a mockery of the mighty upon their thrones of power in the high places. The spiritual powers of wickedness, those princes who will die like men, gloat upon their thrones in the heart of their dark principalities. These same princes influence the nations of man, having weakened them from days of old, and it is the honor of His holy ones to judge them all. 

There is no artificial partition separating the saints of God throughout time and space. There is only one true Vine --- Christ --- and there is no Jew nor stranger in Him. In Him, we are one. Our revealing is the fourth purpose of the Lord for us all. 

Hi Marathoner,

I agree with much of what your say. However, it seems that you don`t think God made the nations or Israel for any special purpose. So, why did God make them in the first place?

[Marathoner]

1 minute ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Marathoner,

I agree with much of what your say. However, it seems that you don`t think God made the nations or Israel for any special purpose. So, why did God make them in the first place?

On the contrary, Israel and the Body of Christ are one. There is only one Vine. 

As for the nations of men? They are deceived, for the Lord has given man the ability to judge matters for himself. Men love lies more than the Truth, so they are left to their own devices until the end.  

[Marilyn C]

32 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

On the contrary, Israel and the Body of Christ are one. There is only one Vine. 

As for the nations of men? They are deceived, for the Lord has given man the ability to judge matters for himself. Men love lies more than the Truth, so they are left to their own devices until the end.  

Yes, there is only one Vine, however from Him all purposes flow. Did God make Israel and will not fulfill His purpose for them?

Also, can certain deceived men stop God`s purposes for the nations? What about the nations on the new earth? (Rev. 21: 24)

Some things to think about. Thanks.

[BibleStudent100]

19 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I maintain Noah was perfect in the sense his genome was generationally uncontaminated

Fascinating response with a lot to ponder!   Do you think that the great watery canopy that was the storage for all the water that fell during the Flood could have prevented some of the harmful UV rays from the celestial realm from hitting the earth, which could have caused the longevity of humans before the Flood?  In other words, right after the Flood, the length of human life instantly dropped to the "standard" length of 70-80 years in accord with Ps 90:10

 

[Marathoner]

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Yes, there is only one Vine, however from Him all purposes flow. Did God make Israel and will not fulfill His purpose for them?

Also, can certain deceived men stop God`s purposes for the nations? What about the nations on the new earth? (Rev. 21: 24)

Some things to think about. Thanks.

There's no confusion regarding the matter. The question you pose has already been answered: His purpose for Israel is fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Israel and the Body are one. 

Why fixate upon the nations of men? Are they not deceived by the accuser? They are indeed, for the accuser weakened the nations of men long ago. 

As for those of us who belong to the Lord, we concern ourselves with our purpose in Him. Have a blessed day, my friend.