Could AI be a key factor with the Beast in Rev 13:15?

[Alive]

10 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Right!  But somewhere along the line, the 666 moniker will become apparent, at least to some.

I believe simply that Christ’s own will know when the time comes.

[Dennis1209]

12 hours ago, Michael37 said:

It's hard to comprehend anyone marketing themselves as the man in question.

Consider this: I am going to step out on a limb here and postulate a logical scenario. Israel will have no choice but to sign a covenant with death and hell for its very survival.

Isaiah 28:15 (KJV) Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Given the lateness of the prophetic hour, I suspect the players are established and set in concrete, following the biblical narrative to the tee. That be what we see today, the United Nations, NATO, and the Warsaw Pact. To me, it does not sound like the entire world submits and follows the Antichrist. There is much opposition against him and plenty of war, A/C goes forward to conquer.

He is a brilliant military strategist and no doubt has a proven track record, a man with a plan. His demonic, mesmerizing eloquence skills will make Hitler look and sound like a babbler. I do not see dictatorships like Russia, China, North Korea, etc. in lockstep. I take it he is probably associated with the European Union.

It seems logical to conclude that he rises through the political-military ranks, perhaps achieving the Secretary General of the U.N., European Union President, or both. The goal and objective of U.N. Agenda 2021 and 2030, as established at present, is global control and submission, under the guise of climate change and global sustainability.

These suspicions are unfolding at breakneck speed. I believe this generation will be the one to witness it.

[Alive]

4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Consider this: I am going to step out on a limb here and postulate a logical scenario. Israel will have no choice but to sign a covenant with death and hell for its very survival.

Isaiah 28:15 (KJV) Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Given the lateness of the prophetic hour, I suspect the players are established and set in concrete, following the biblical narrative to the tee. That be what we see today, the United Nations, NATO, and the Warsaw Pact. To me, it does not sound like the entire world submits and follows the Antichrist. There is much opposition against him and plenty of war, A/C goes forward to conquer.

He is a brilliant military strategist and no doubt has a proven track record, a man with a plan. His demonic, mesmerizing eloquence skills will make Hitler look and sound like a babbler. I do not see dictatorships like Russia, China, North Korea, etc. in lockstep. I take it he is probably associated with the European Union.

It seems logical to conclude that he rises through the political-military ranks, perhaps achieving the Secretary General of the U.N., European Union President, or both. The goal and objective of U.N. Agenda 2021 and 2030, as established at present, is global control and submission, under the guise of climate change and global sustainability.

These suspicions are unfolding at breakneck speed. I believe this generation will be the one to witness it.

You are assuming it’s late in the prophetic season. You have no way of knowing this. The current global climate or a more narrow Middle East view may have nothing to do with anything.

[walla299]

On 6/19/2025 at 9:56 AM, Alive said:

I do not think any of this technology will have anything to do with anything in prophecy or Revelation, but rather where a person places their loyalty.

I agree for the most part, although I could see where AI could be used in deception which will be crazy during that time according to Revelation, etc. It might have a greater role than we know right now. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

A few thoughts which are probably not worth a lot, but here goes:

1. The Mark of the Beast (MOB) seems to have a strong worship (or loyalty) component attached to it. It sounds like some will accept this mark willingly what ever it turns out to be.

2. In order to install a "new" world system the old one has to fail. Possibly in a loud, obnoxious, messy manner. Things have to be bad enough for people to go along with the new system being set up. I think we're seeing some of the cracks in the old system starting to widen. Do I have a time table? Nope. I have no better idea than anyone else - but it does look like the stage is being set for something.

3. Jesus used the phrase "sheep without a shepherd" to describe to nation of Israel of His day. That sounds like a great description for our time as well. Once the economy crashes and all that comes with it folks will be looking for someone to fix the whole mess. The person who can do this will have no issue getting people to do whatever he wants - and there will be some who will idolize him without being told to. Politics today seems to be getting really ripe for this.

Anyway. Just a few random ideas on my part.

[Vine Abider]

Here's something interesting and ironic from The Atlantic today:

"Artificial intelligence has proved to be even more valuable as a writer of computer code than as a writer of words. This means it is ideally suited to replacing the very type of person who built it."  The Computer-Science Bubble Is Bursting - The Atlantic

So man is quite creative, because we are made in the image of our Creator, and therefore we come up with all sorts of good and useful things. So many advances in technology and medicine!  But wouldn't it be supremely ironic if we created something, that in turn, had the ability to do us in?!

God is letting the fruit of the tree we choose and ate (the knowledge of good & evil) to fully manifest through us - so yes, much good has come out of man's creations, but also at least an equal amount of evil.

[walla299]

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"Artificial intelligence has proved to be even more valuable as a writer of computer code than as a writer of words. This means it is ideally suited to replacing the very type of person who built it."  The Computer-Science Bubble Is Bursting - The Atlantic

Yeah, there was a series of movies about that very thing: The Terminator series. 

The Skynet A.I. became self-aware, saw humans as a threat, and nuked us, then wanted to go for the extinction trophy. Fun times (in the movies)! 

Jurassic Park was similar, but was a warning about genetic technology getting out of hand. Oops. 

[Michael37]

15 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Consider this: I am going to step out on a limb here and postulate a logical scenario. Israel will have no choice but to sign a covenant with death and hell for its very survival.

Isaiah 28:15 (KJV) Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

I like to give the historical fulfillment of this passage whenever it crops up, not that drawing analogies from it is wrong, but the gist of it is there is a false security that supposes escape from Divine Judgment is possible through political alliances, as though a covenant with death and hell has been made so that neither will result when God overrules human contrivances.

Isaiah 28:15 refers to a moment when the leaders of Jerusalem claimed, “We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol we are in agreement,” believing they could avoid judgment through political alliances or deceptive strategies. Historically, this is widely understood as a rebuke of Judah’s leaders—likely during the time leading up to the Assyrian threat in the 8th century BC.

Many scholars connect this verse to Judah’s alliance with Egypt, which they hoped would protect them from Assyria. Isaiah saw this as a false security—a “refuge of lies”—because they were trusting in human schemes rather than in God. The “overflowing scourge” likely symbolizes the Assyrian invasion, which Isaiah warned would not spare them despite their supposed deal with death.

It’s a powerful example of prophetic irony: the people thought they were safe, but their confidence was built on deception. The verse also has layers of meaning that some interpret as foreshadowing spiritual truths about judgment and salvation.

[tatwo]

Greetings @Dennis1209...

On 6/20/2025 at 2:25 PM, Dennis1209 said:

No. I did not say nor imply the beast is here on Earth yet.

You said..."The Beast system has developed right before our eyes, in this generation."  Ok...thanks for the clarification...I can see truth in your statement here Dennis. Of course...the scripture tells us all “we need to know” about the dragon’s “beast of systems” and it extends beyond “this generation” in two directions...“past and future.”

Perhaps we might have a look?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

Greetings Brothers @Dennis1209 and @Vine Abider...

On 6/20/2025 at 2:25 PM, Dennis1209 said:

However, since you brought it up, given all the biblical end-time indicators, I suspect he is, but I do not know that for a fact.

On 6/20/2025 at 2:55 PM, Vine Abider said:

Well needless to say, all the makings are here even if this one isn't.

Similar in scope...meh?

Interesting Dennis...and I thought you brought it up...anyways "it" has been brought up none the less.

Is this a more “recent revelation/position” for you Dennis? Do you feel this is a changing perspective among believers in your realm...maybe?

The reason I ask is because of what I said in my last post to you...“Frankly I remember having very few discussions on the subject of the beast and its mark as a present reality. As I said...it has all most always been a discussion about a future beast and its mark.”

At this point...a spiritually and scripturally "sound" understanding pertaining to...“a Christian believers journey in the eschaton”...in regards to “Satan’s beast of systems” is essential in any measure really..."if it is or might be...here"...no?

Light is available...the challenge is...can we discuss it as mature believers...that a clearer picture of both the Kingdom of God and the kingdom of darkness may emerge?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

Greeting Brothers and Sisters on the forums...! Today...we shall overcome.

Given the somewhat "emergent nature" of this discussion? One might come to the conclusion that there is a certain amount of “spiritual instability” in maintaining a position of “the beast is yet future.”

At this point...entertaining any “suspicion” that the “beast” may be here today...or in the past...would seemingly compel those who love the Truth...to a deeper dive into this reality with the “living Word” as a light to our path way.

Please remember the descriptions that Daniel and John respectively gave of the beast they saw? It is the same beast...seen about 600 years apart...there are changes in the descriptions...all the changes indicate an entity that is growing in size and power along with the scope of that which it controls. Perhaps you might refresh yourself...?

“After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. "While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.” Daniel 7:7-8 NASB

“And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven. It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.” Revelation 13:1-8 NASB

@Dennis1209, and @Vine Abider...if what you are “intimating” which is the possibility of the “beast systems” in play...today...that should inspire...specifically...the people of God to call it out as it is...right?

I am suggesting that the challenge for the “church” and the “world” is...that to a large degree most do not recognize the empire that is and has been emerging for centuries...today. So...they do not know what it is that they are looking at...it is so vastly different than any empire that preceded it...few have any basis for understanding it...right?

The Holy Spirit completely understands this beast...and the “Words” that He gave and gives us clearly illuminates His understanding...all we need is His mind...which we have. Remember that He can and does disturb false doctrines.

It was the glorious Lord of lord and King of kings...Yahshua the eternal...who is recorded as having said..."Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them."

Tatwo...:)