Salvation, Faith, Baptism

[susansduval]

"anyway I don't believe Baptizm saves you, "

So you are saying Peter was wrong in his epistle where he mentioned the baptism that now saves you? 6 months ago you became a Christian? Well I really hate to debate this topic with such experienced teacher!

Seriously, blessings to you and may God continue to extend his grace to you.

This subject has gotten a little heated here. I really don't believe there was anything I said to make you think I am trying to be a teacher, I'm sorry but that comment was uncalled for. I only know what I have read in the Bible. Anyone can be Baptized...it's what is truely in their heart that saves them.

[kittylover0991]

"anyway I don't believe Baptizm saves you, "

So you are saying Peter was wrong in his epistle where he mentioned the baptism that now saves you? 6 months ago you became a Christian? Well I really hate to debate this topic with such experienced teacher!

Seriously, blessings to you and may God continue to extend his grace to you.

This subject has gotten a little heated here. I really don't believe there was anything I said to make you think I am trying to be a teacher, I'm sorry but that comment was uncalled for. I only know what I have read in the Bible. Anyone can be Baptized...it's what is truely in their heart that saves them.

Amen Susan

By the way .. this is what I mean before when I said I didn't realize the can of worms I opened on a "Christian" forum.. I meant that it become a bit to heated and people were making various remarks that were uncalled for. I wasn't talking about you when I said that before either What I am trying to say is, let's try and keep this discussion going in a Christian manner.. one that glorifies God. Not shooting other down, ok everyone?

[MrSealedEternal]

"anyway I don't believe Baptizm saves you, "

So you are saying Peter was wrong in his epistle where he mentioned the baptism that now saves you? 6 months ago you became a Christian? Well I really hate to debate this topic with such experienced teacher!

Seriously, blessings to you and may God continue to extend his grace to you.

This subject has gotten a little heated here. I really don't believe there was anything I said to make you think I am trying to be a teacher, I'm sorry but that comment was uncalled for. I only know what I have read in the Bible. Anyone can be Baptized...it's what is truely in their heart that saves them.

1Peter 3:21-22 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Peter says that baptism saves you, but then went on to explain that it is not water baptism that saves you but rather Spirit baptism. Sometimes an inexperienced believer who can read what the text says has a better understanding than a person who has been indoctrinated into a false religion of self salvation by sacraments.

Mr SE

[kittylover0991]

"anyway I don't believe Baptizm saves you, "

So you are saying Peter was wrong in his epistle where he mentioned the baptism that now saves you? 6 months ago you became a Christian? Well I really hate to debate this topic with such experienced teacher!

Seriously, blessings to you and may God continue to extend his grace to you.

This subject has gotten a little heated here. I really don't believe there was anything I said to make you think I am trying to be a teacher, I'm sorry but that comment was uncalled for. I only know what I have read in the Bible. Anyone can be Baptized...it's what is truely in their heart that saves them.

1Peter 3:21-22 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Peter says that baptism saves you, but then went on to explain that it is not water baptism that saves you but rather Spirit baptism. Sometimes an inexperienced believer who can read what the text says has a better understanding than a person who has been indoctrinated into a false religion of self salvation by sacraments.

Mr SE

Whoah, are you serious? I know that water baptism doesn't save you.. but what is spirit baptism and how do you believe we get this?

[nebula]

and Davids confession that he was conceived in sin sort of disprove your assertion that sin does not infect all of us.

OK, this is a bunny trail . . .

If you look at the way David was treated as an outcast by his father (i.e. had David out in the fields while presenting "all his sons" to Samuel), it is reasonable to believe that David was not a legitimate child.

Thus, his claim to being "conceived in sin" means just that - his conception was from a sinful union.

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OK, back onto the path. . . .

This argument you are bringing about creation, here is what the verse says:

Ro 1:20 - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

You used this verse to discount my claim that I experienced a touch from the Lord when I got baptised, correct?

OK, first of all, I fail to see how this verse applies to that.

Second, it says that "His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made," so I fail to see how you can claim our view of God through creation is unclear.

Third, it's really sad that you accuse me of not knowing the presence of the Lord because I had an experience that disagrees with your theology. If you knew what the presence of the Lord was like, if you ever felt it, you wouldn't be arguing this way.

[MrSealedEternal]

Whoah, are you serious? I know that water baptism doesn't save you.. but what is spirit baptism and how do you believe we get this?

When John the baptist was performing water baptism, he told people that Jesus was coming, and that He would baptize people with His Holy Spirit.

Mark 1:7-8 And he was preaching, and saying, "After me One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals. "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

Luke 3:16 John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

When Jesus Christ came, He explained also that you must be "baptized" or immersed with His Holy Spirit in order to be saved. This is what is referred to as being "born again."

John 3:3-7 Jesus answered and said to him,

[Khristeeanos]

Mr*Mrs SE:

Unless a passage specifically states it is spirit baptism, than it isn't spirit baptism.

[MrSealedEternal]

Mr*Mrs SE:

Unless a passage specifically states it is spirit baptism, than it isn't spirit baptism.

I know it's New Years Eve and hope that you're celebrating it responsibly.

Mr SE

[st. Worm]

nebula quote:

"Thus, his claim to being "conceived in sin" means just that - his conception was from a sinful union."

That's ridiculous. Even the NIV says:

For I know my transgressions and my sin is always before me.

Against you you only have I sinned.

and done what is evil in your sight,

so that you are proved right when you speak

and justified when you judge.

Surely I was sinful at birth and sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Are you seriously going to say this has anything to do with David's "illegitimate" birth? He is confessing the sins of someone else in these passages? You have got to be kidding!

That has to be the worst interpretation of Scripture I have seen to date and that says a lot. Its amazing how people will attempt to deny original sin. Sorry for my harshness but that is absurd.

[nebula]

Why wasn't David treated like a true son, then?