hi all :) i am a muslim man ... am i welcomed here ?

[Marnie]

My G-d's Name is Yawheh, what's yours?

[Arthur Durnan]

Hani, thank you for sitting in with us. One vital concern I have with Muhammad & his personally stated "revelations" is that he would have us believe that the angel Gabriel said one thing to the Bethlehem shepherds concerning the Lord Jesus Christ, the world's only Savior - but abruptly changed his mind and said quite an entirely contradictory thing in the 7th-century to what I believe was your religion's founder, Muhammad of Yathrib. How can the Lord Jesus Christ be the world's Savior while at the same time (beginning in the 7th-century) being but one of a string of prophets with the Arabian Peninsula's polygamist warlord Muhammad as the final and most important one? Even Abu Bahkr, Muhammad's successor, said that Muhammad could save no one. Don't we need Someone to forgive us, to save us, and to be able to give us everlasting life as shown in St. John, Chapter Three, Verse sixteen?

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son - ie. as in the original, the UNIQUE ONE - that whosoever (including everyone in the Arabian Peninsula too) believes in Him should not perish, but have (present tense) everlasting life." Isn't THAT XLNT news for a weary, confused society?

Hani, I have perused your Qur'an. In the interests of conviviality, please give earnest consideration to reading the Gospel of St. John. It will richly bless your heart.

Cordially, Arthur Durnan.

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[nebula]

Salaam alekim Hani

and we believe jesus will return soon ... our prophet (pbuh) even told us when exactly

What does your prophet say about the return of Jesus?

This is what the Bible says -

Revelation 19

11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

read what GOd says about jesus and mary in holy Quran :

[003:059] The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

You see, this is the issue of contention between our holy books.

Recall above in Revelation 19:13 where it says: "His name is called The Word of God"?

Well, there is another place in the Bible where Jesus is called the Word of God, and this is what it has to say:

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was in the beginning with God.

3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it. . . .

9 He was the true Light; He enlightens every man coming into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and the world did not know Him.

11 He came to His own, and His own received Him not.

12 But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,

13 who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God.

14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

So, while your holy book makes claim that Jesus was just a man - even though an extraordinary prophet - our holy book makes claim that Jesus was "the Son of God" and "One with the Father".

Jesus was righteous because He Himself is righteous, not because special grace was given upon Mary who bore Him. The opposite is true - Mary was given grace for she would be the one to carry the Holy One within her.

Luke 1

26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin's name was Mary.

28 And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"

29 But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was.

30 Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.

31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.

32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.

33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."

34 Then Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I do not know a man?"

35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

[Leonard]

We're sorta' bangin' this guy from all sides, fellas! Hani may find it more profitable to ask one question at a time and then listen to a variety of Christian responses until we have reached clarity on one issue at a time.

What do you think?

[Marnie]

What do you think?

Agreed.

[EricH]

One question I have, is it true that Islamic Clerics teach that Islam has existed prior to Christianity, and that beneath the temple mount in Israel, there is to temple, only older Islamic places of worship?

[RustyAngeL]

Welcome Hani..Glad to have you aboard at Worthy. I look forward to reading your posts. Also I encourage you to enter our chat room and fellowship with our people. I"m a mod there but have not been able to go back into chat because they updated the chat room and my computer is to old to handle it. I'm hoping to have a new one sometime soon. Again welcome.

[Bolts]

Hiya Hani,

Welcome to Worthy!!

Its great to have you with us

[mrs]

I agree we might by kinda flooding him with too much info.

Maybe we could just focus on one question ..... like how Jesus can forgive sin if He isnt God. I think Jade made a very valid point.

Hani, I hope we can be a blessing to you and that God will show you His truth.

[Arthur Durnan]

I have had the privilege on one of our Israel ministries to be accorded the privilege - and privilege it was - The Temple Mount subterranean passageways feature ancient Jewish synagogues, meeting rooms, ancient stables, storage halls, various empty caverns, passageways, etc, - but no essential "Muslim" mosques or Islamic whatever, all dating back to the time of King David of Israel who long ago pronounced Jerusalem as ISRAEL'S eternal capital. Islam occupies the Temple Mount today only because of Israeli General Moishe Dayan's extreme generosity to the dismay, I must say, of many Orthodox Jews.

GOD BLESS ISRAEL TOO!

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