A person who's a Mason and a Christian?

[Guest Sunshine & Smiles]

Ben - with all due respect (IF I OWE U ANY) -- I am glad YOU are NOT GOD,

just because you say so, does NOT mean GOD SAID IT!!!

Does God speak to you audibly? I wish you and others like you would get off your HIGH HORSE.

You are way off base with the very nature of God when you criticize an organization you know NOTHING about first hand. Its obvious you have never been involved in the organization, and HOW CAN YOU LOOK inside a person's heart.

Work out your own salvation and please stop JUDGING others and what they believe. I've never known the Mason's to be teaching RELIGION. Many Masons and Shriners are active participants in wonderful fundamental churches.

Please pull your head out and take a stand on more worthy issues.

God is light and in him is no darkness, and my friend, GOD is NO RESPECTOR of PERSONS.

Like it or not, you don't win souls by such harsh judgements. God didn't give any of us the authority.

We do not see inside the hearts of others nor do we know how THEY walk with GOD.

You certainly do not know me or my heart. I don't need your approval on my opinions, I have a right to them. We live in a country that allows freedom of speech, and I see you exercise yours well., but please be careful of 'slandering others' while taking a stand on your THEORIES.

Blessings

Sunshine

Edited May 31, 2006 by Sunshine & Smiles

[Rober H]

We can judge an organization by it's doctrine. If it's doctrine does not stand the test of God's word that groups teachings should be rejcted.

Using Sunshines criterion any group that does any good is "godly". Mormons, Buddhists, and even the KKK has done some good works.

Thank God we have His Holy Word as the criterion for truth and not the philosophy of the world as our measuring rod.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

[Guest Sunshine & Smiles]

We can judge an organization by it's doctrine. If it's doctrine does not stand the test of God's word that groups teachings should be rejcted.

Using Sunshines criterion any group that does any good is "godly". Mormons, Buddhists, and even the KKK has done some good works.

Thank God we have His Holy Word as the criterion for truth and not the philosophy of the world as our measuring rod.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Enough is enough already. I would NEVER in a million years be supportive verbally of ANY organization that KILLS INNOCENT PEOPLE, or that engages in outright acts of Terrorism.

But if you have NEVER studied other Beliefs, how can you Know they are BAD? You people casually judge and criticize People. I know plenty of Mormons who Live God's Love, and are wonderful examples. You just want to pick at any group that doesnt believe your own DOGMA.

Sling this stuff at someone else, NOT ME. I can mis-quote scriptures too, if that is what Im about.

Please DO NOT mis-use my words. I never said these organizations were RIGHT 100% and I don't accuse them of being WRONG, but come on -- the KKK would Not even be a consideration of favor in my opinion, NOR would Hitler. Geesh!!! The Masons are not even a RELIGION., or else why would so many members also be Ordained in some wonderful fundamental churches? As to Mormons, They believe in God, and his son Jesus Christ. You throw Cult out at too many Godly Persons and you destroy the priviledge of loving others as God wants us to.

I see nothing wrong with the grandson participating in a celebration with his Grandfather. After all, that grandfather may not be long for this world and this guy may rob himself of a worthy experience being with his Christian Grandfather, all because SOME of you people are so DOGMATIC and have your HEADS up where there is no Sunshine. I say Let God be true.

My sister was once a JW, until they kicked her out because she attended the wedding of a life long friend - that wedding was at a Baptist Church, now how Narrow minded was THAT? The building didn't crumble around her, and I don't think we should be Fear Motivated over man made dogma.

Hey, Don't get me wrong, people. I am a believer! I worship God, not man.

Edited May 31, 2006 by Sunshine & Smiles

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

Sunshine & Smiles, I've had the pleasure of reading all of your posts in the Worthy Boards. I find your all encompassing view that no particular religion or view point is 'bad' quite disturbing for someone who at a primary level, professes themself to be a Christian. Am I correct in my evaluation, that for you...all roads lead to salvation? I must ask this in order to have a better discernment as to how to relate to you within the context of this forum.

Jesus said that we are either FOR Him or against Him. That must hold true for all of our ways, not just a few. Yes He did say, 'Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.' and that is certainly true, but we need not encourage anyone at anytime to permit themselves to sin so that they may be under His divine Grace.

With love

Faithie

[CellShade]

My goodness, I've never heard such rubbish.

I know someone who is both a wonderful Christian AND a Mason.

I know some Mason's who are also Shriners and they do such a wonderful thing for Children.

Too many zealots out there trying to 'point CULT fingers' at Other people.

The Masons and the Shriners are noted for their wonderful charity work for Children's hospitals, and so forth.

I believe the Masons have been around for many years, and I hate to see such 'criticism' of them.

You don't know about an organization until you have EXPERIENCED it, and the only way to find out what they BELIEVE or STAND FOR, is to PARTICIPATE in it. I"ve said this before, but I stand by it, You will know a Christian Person by their Fruit.

All you who wish to criticize Masons, I ask you, what are YOU doing for the good of mankind?

I'm kinda tired of 'dogmatic, stiff-colored christianity', to me that isn't Godly.

Sigh

My grandfather , was in masonary level 29, but he didn't find peace there, tried catholic system, didn't work, a few days before he died, he tryed Christianity and believing in Jesus Christ, guess what?that worked.

Fact masonary is a cult.

If youu believe some religions do good works and that is a way to heaven, then by all means say that islic suicides are a way to heaven, because aren't they doing somehting good to for their people? Sigh No.

Get it out of your head, good works are no good without Jesus in your Heart

[redeemed098]

Ben - with all due respect (IF I OWE U ANY) -- I am glad YOU are NOT GOD,

just because you say so, does NOT mean GOD SAID IT!!!

Does God speak to you audibly? I wish you and others like you would get off your HIGH HORSE.

You are way off base with the very nature of God when you criticize an organization you know NOTHING about first hand. Its obvious you have never been involved in the organization, and HOW CAN YOU LOOK inside a person's heart.

Work out your own salvation and please stop JUDGING others and what they believe. I've never known the Mason's to be teaching RELIGION. Many Masons and Shriners are active participants in wonderful fundamental churches.

Please pull your head out and take a stand on more worthy issues.

God is light and in him is no darkness, and my friend, GOD is NO RESPECTOR of PERSONS.

Like it or not, you don't win souls by such harsh judgements. God didn't give any of us the authority.

We do not see inside the hearts of others nor do we know how THEY walk with GOD.

You certainly do not know me or my heart. I don't need your approval on my opinions, I have a right to them. We live in a country that allows freedom of speech, and I see you exercise yours well., but please be careful of 'slandering others' while taking a stand on your THEORIES.

Blessings

Sunshine

You are right of course.....

You are FREE to go to Hell if you wish...... Pretending to be offended is no substitute for salvation sunshine......I'm terribly sorry but there is NO NICE way to tell a person they are a sinner who needs to repent....... I'm interested in your salvation sunshine, I couldn't give two hoots for any of your attempts to justify yourself before God..You are justified through the work of Christ or you are NOT justified at all......IHave no high horse....This isn't about debate or argument..Those are simply issues that pander to a persons ego.....I don't want you to Go to hell, so I will not sugar coat the message for you.

If you don't like the message....GOOD....You're NOT supposed TO.....

Sunshine......There are not going to be any "Good" people in Gods Kingdom..Only Repentant sinners.....Jesus came for the sinner....If you arent a sinner sunshine, then Jesus didnt come for you.......

By the way The Truth is Never slander........YOU ARE A SINNER WHO NEEDS THE SAVIOR.....Your opinion cant alter that and neither can any other belief you choose to embrace in order to avoid this issue.....Don't worry, you'll soon believe in Hell after youve been there for 5 minutes....

Regards,

Ben.

[Rober H]

Sunshine,

Support your position from the scriptures if you can.

Why do you assume that we have "never studied other beliefs"?

Your posts are a lot of words without scriptural backing.

Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The Mason's have another gospel so do the Mormons. Their are lots of people in the world that do charitable works. Comparing men with men some may appear to do more than others.

However without Christ they have one big problem.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Note: Jesus isn't saying He isn't good He is asking the person "why do you call me good?"

Romans 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

If you don't agree with Christian "dogma" you better be able to defend your own....

[crab3]

I have studied the Mason's, and they do TEACH religion. They teach that if you live a moral life, you'll go to heaven, but they don't even use the 'term' heaven. They say that if you live this life that God will meet you 'on the other side,' but they don't use the term God. what they say nothing about is that back in the day, God sent a man, that would be Jesus, to die for our sins, that Man said believe and be baptized to recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost and eternal salvation, ask a mason what they teach. they have omitted Jesus name from their prayers, they are even disrespectful enough to come to a mans funeral, burial, and pray for the man, without using Jesus name, the man in this instance was a devout christian, his son is a preacher, they do not pray in Jesus name.

Honestly, and this is opinion, but after talking shop with the masons i am surrounded by, and there are many, about why i would never assosiate myself with their 'brotherhood,' it always seems to me that they are on the high horse. its in the black and white, chill out, and read the Book, i think that Matthew would be a good place for you to start, then go from there.

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good guys they may be, christians, as a group, they are not...

[irishcowboy]

-next weekend.

My grandfather! He's been a Mason for 50 years, thus the party.

I rarely say no to family, but this might be a case where I should...

And he's a devoted Christian.

This is so strange. Masons- are wrong, right? The 32nd level is very bad news from what I've heard...

Thanks for any responses-

they teach Biblical values....

they do not teach BIBLE....

being that it is not a religious organization, there is no boundries as far as what "religion" a person is...

a Jew, or Christian, it does not matter, Red and Yellow, Black and White neither does it matter...

this is a brotherhood that is set for a common goal. They recognize that there is only ONE TRUE GOD... they do not teach Christianity... they live the law of LOVE...

there are teachings from the Old Testiment time, and a person can learn more about that era if they choose, ( with or with out the lodge )

there was a case where a man was captured, during the American Civil war, as a spy, and was to be shot (executed) when another person recognized a sign given by the person, and piped up and told them that this person was not who they thought that he was... so they placed him back in the stockade to investigate further, and the next day this man was not to be found.

a good many of the founding fathers of the United States were masons.

the Constitution was written by masons,

the declaration of independance was penned by mason(s)

the night of the Boston Tea party, there was suppose to be a lodge meeting... there were not enough members present to open the lodge for buisness, and for some strange reason, a ship was over-run and emptied of its cargo...

the Masonic Lodge is not a secret organization, they are an organization with secrets ( as do many other organizations, to include each and every persons own house hold.

the confidentiallity rule applies with each mason for each brother mason. Demoley was a man that held his tongue, even unto death, not to give up his friends...

too many people these days have tossed away morals, whether they are taught from the Bible or from a clubs teachings... this would infact include many people that attend church "religiously" every week, but have no morals, they cheat, lie, steal from their brother Christians, they gossip, squander, and tip their noses up so high, that when it rains, they are in danger of drowning.

I have never been cheated by a mason, whether 1st degree, 3rd degree, or even 32nd degree. I have been treated most fairly by each and every one that i have met... I can not say that about even most of those proclaiming to be Christians...

before a person condemns a club a person is in, or the good that club does, one better look at ones own clubs, organizations, and even their own back yard......

the Masonic Lodge is not a Christian Organization (never claimed to be a Christians organization, nor do they a religious organization), but then neither is the Rotory club, the Lions Club, the Elks club or the IOOF........ a person can even join a chess club, spanish club, french club, german club, folk dance club, square dance club, they also are not Christian organization... the FCA claims to be a Christian organization, I do not know, for i have not attended their meetings....

or all these clubs CULTS as some say?????

if a child is burned, they have a place to go for repair and rehab AT NO COST.

if a child is crippled, again, they have a place to go for such things AT NO COST.

the Shriners Hospitals are FREE for those that need it. no matter what race, creed, religion, faith, colour, or financial background. if you have one close by, go visit it, and get a tour of it. seriously, do it... you might be just a tad bit amazed at how much LOVE there is there.

a mason can travel through out this world, and no matter where he travels, he will always have friends...

as far as teachings that all a person has to do is be good to get to heaven, that is not what they teach.

personally, i would recommend not studying any others religious beliefs, but dig deeper into the Bible.

My uncle, died a mormon... would not consider Christianity (the treatment received from mormons was better then Christians), did that keep me from attending the funeral? NO!, not cause there was anything there, for he was gone, but my dad ( his brother) was there, and i was there for him. not my uncle, but for my dad and my mom and my aunt...

If I were you, and i had the opportunity to see my dad, uncle, grandfather, or anyone else receive an achievement such as this, i would go. not because i believe in what they did, but because i love them.

this can give you a good opportunity, an open door, if you may, to witness Christ, and how He is the Truth.

The Way to Life Everlasting...

I am not defending the Masons, but I neither condemn them for what they are doing..

I am not saying you need to join either, not in the least, it might be best if you didnt join them.

there are Born again Christians, in the Mormon church also, they are there to witness Christ, there are born again Christians in the Masonic Lodge as well, again to bearwitness to Christ...

we do need our morals, but we also need our authority........ JESUS, THE CHRIST.

no matter what club a person belongs to, they have the choice to make it their religion, or they can take Christianity into the club and wittness Christ.

even eating can become a persons religion, the same with sleeping, or working or even playing video games or spending time on the internet...

contrary to popular belief, this site is not CHURCH... we are not gathering together here, we are posting words... our of anger, bitterness, hatred, gossips, and better then thou attitudes. very seldom are many being uplifted.

this is one of those threads, i would like to see disappear. when people are saying there is no respect due a person, or incinuationg such with all due respect (IF I OWE U ANY), when a person is judging anothers salvation...

come now, this is becoming a battleground of brother against brother.... we are suppose to be joining hands and charging the common enemy, not our brothers... Like I said before, i have never been cheated by a mason, nor have i received anything but love from a mason...

should we (Christians) not follow suite??? and be more loving???

like in the kids song..... and they will know we are Christians by our hate???

NO !!!!!

THEY WILL KNOW WE ARE CHRISTIANS BY OUR LOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Christians, could take a lesson or two from the Masons, and even the Mormons... (I should say the Bible)

mike

[Smalcald]

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