Question about Healing

[Rukkus]

I've seen that the majority of Christians do not believe that it is God's Will for everyone to be healed. Yet these same Christians will take medicine and go to the doctor when they get sick in order to get well. Why are they trying to obtain something that may not be God's Will for them? Why are they fighting God's Will?

Not all disease can be healed...however certain things can. If God wants us to be healed then we shoudl rely on the doctors He has given us in order to be healed. Such as, someone suffering from cancer can rely on the technology available to fight cancer and if they are healed, wonderful. If not, then they simply are not. There is a line from a Brave Saint Saturn song that sums it up:

He fought to stay, but always dreamed he could leave this place

Basically, we want to stay on this earth and will fight to stay (in order to help those who need help), but at the same time, if we don't, then we are healed. Either way, whether we are healed through medicine, no medicine, or death, God's Will has been done.

So the reasoning you use here is that whatever happens, whether healing, or death, God's Will has been done . . . The only problem with this reasoning is it assumes that whatever happens is God's Will. And when you try to apply that to other areas of Christian living . . . . Say sin for instance, then you assume that because a CHristian sins, that it was God's Will?

Where is the line drawn? Is everything that happens God's Will?

[st. Worm]

I've seen that the majority of Christians do not believe that it is God's Will for everyone to be healed. Yet these same Christians will take medicine and go to the doctor when they get sick in order to get well. Why are they trying to obtain something that may not be God's Will for them? Why are they fighting God's Will?

Not all disease can be healed...however certain things can. If God wants us to be healed then we shoudl rely on the doctors He has given us in order to be healed. Such as, someone suffering from cancer can rely on the technology available to fight cancer and if they are healed, wonderful. If not, then they simply are not. There is a line from a Brave Saint Saturn song that sums it up:

He fought to stay, but always dreamed he could leave this place

Basically, we want to stay on this earth and will fight to stay (in order to help those who need help), but at the same time, if we don't, then we are healed. Either way, whether we are healed through medicine, no medicine, or death, God's Will has been done.

So the reasoning you use here is that whatever happens, whether healing, or death, God's Will has been done . . . The only problem with this reasoning is it assumes that whatever happens is God's Will. And when you try to apply that to other areas of Christian living . . . . Say sin for instance, then you assume that because a CHristian sins, that it was God's Will?

Where is the line drawn? Is everything that happens God's Will?

Yes. He wouldn't be much of a God if things happened outside of His control. In fact, if things happened outside of His control that means we cannot even trust Him with our salvation.

[apothanein kerdos]

I've seen that the majority of Christians do not believe that it is God's Will for everyone to be healed. Yet these same Christians will take medicine and go to the doctor when they get sick in order to get well. Why are they trying to obtain something that may not be God's Will for them? Why are they fighting God's Will?

Not all disease can be healed...however certain things can. If God wants us to be healed then we shoudl rely on the doctors He has given us in order to be healed. Such as, someone suffering from cancer can rely on the technology available to fight cancer and if they are healed, wonderful. If not, then they simply are not. There is a line from a Brave Saint Saturn song that sums it up:

He fought to stay, but always dreamed he could leave this place

Basically, we want to stay on this earth and will fight to stay (in order to help those who need help), but at the same time, if we don't, then we are healed. Either way, whether we are healed through medicine, no medicine, or death, God's Will has been done.

So the reasoning you use here is that whatever happens, whether healing, or death, God's Will has been done . . . The only problem with this reasoning is it assumes that whatever happens is God's Will. And when you try to apply that to other areas of Christian living . . . . Say sin for instance, then you assume that because a CHristian sins, that it was God's Will?

Where is the line drawn? Is everything that happens God's Will?

Sin and sickness are completely seperate issues. For instance, sickness is something that occurs to us mostly outside of our control. Sin, however, is us going against God's Will which places it inside of our control. This is why it is called sin, missing the mark...the mark being God's Will.

If we seek God's Will in sickness, no matter what, His Will has been accomplished. We are fools to think that something can occur without Him Willing it or at least allowing it (God does allow sin, though He does not will it). Nothing occurs which God could not have prevented.

[other one]

1 Tim 5:23 No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.

NASB

If just anything was to be healed then why this instruction to Timothy from Paul......

[Rania]

Divine healing as a God given right is false interpretation of scriptures. WHen Jesus died, his stripes healed the rift that was between us and God, not necessarily anything to do with physical healing. We live in a sinful and falled world and biologically we are affected by that and our own sin. Therefore our bodies, which are not eternal, need medicine. Yes God can still heal and does, but not all will be healed. Paul himself was not healed of everything. Our bodies await the day they are resurrected to immortailty. Until then we are subject to sickness and disease almost like everyone else. Then again, Christians choose to reject God's ways in how to eat and not to eat thinking everything is fine to eat if they pray over it..... that's not a bit biblical. You can't regularily eat Pig and all other forbidden food and think you will be immune from the associated problems. You will not be. God did not change is mind. No I am not SDA.

Amen and well said!! (and I'm not SDA, either......just common sense.)

[anti-hillbilly]

I think it's wrong to blame lack of faith for someone not being healed.

The bible says if a person has faith the size of a mustard seed that person's prayer will be answered. I think people who refuse medical attention for a sick child certainly fulfill that requirement -- then they have to suffer thru watching the child die.

If you're sick, see a doctor, don't expect a miracle from God. I think God is up there but I'm one of those people that does not believe He intervenes too often. He has created this world and it's natural laws and while we're here we are subject to those laws which sometimes include sickness. Fortunately He has equipped man with enough brains to sometimes figure out how to manipulate those laws and figure out ways to fight the nastier ones that have to do with health.

[EricH]

Regardless of the channel (miracles, medicine or death) God is always the one who heals. He just chooses to use a different channel

[germanJoy]

Regardless of the channel (miracles, medicine or death) God is always the one who heals. He just chooses to use a different channel

Amen, EricH. From the book of Genesis to Revelation, God's will on healing was, is, and will be evident. The presence of the tree of life at the Garden of Eden in Genesis 2:9 and at the new earth in Revelation 22:2 fulfills the purpose of healing as God's perfect will for mankind and/or nations. Momentarily, medicine and science tries (through the help of nature from plants, tree leaves in parallel to Rev.) to create temporary solutions to the problem but its limits are foreseen and acknowledged. But not with God, if God finally puts an end to sickness, He places the tree of life.

...And on either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Rev. 22:2

The tree of life in Genesis was the source of healing for Adam and Eve. But when they sinned, death came through sickness for the tree of life was no longer available for them.

And out of the ground the Lord God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil....v 9

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die...v16

So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life. Gen. 2:24

For us Christians today, Jesus Christ is our tree of life, the fountain and the source of our healing!

germanJoy

Edited July 6, 2006 by germanJoy

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

I've seen that the majority of Christians do not believe that it is God's Will for everyone to be healed. Yet these same Christians will take medicine and go to the doctor when they get sick in order to get well. Why are they trying to obtain something that may not be God's Will for them? Why are they fighting God's Will?

Not all disease can be healed...however certain things can. If God wants us to be healed then we shoudl rely on the doctors He has given us in order to be healed. Such as, someone suffering from cancer can rely on the technology available to fight cancer and if they are healed, wonderful. If not, then they simply are not. There is a line from a Brave Saint Saturn song that sums it up:

He fought to stay, but always dreamed he could leave this place

Basically, we want to stay on this earth and will fight to stay (in order to help those who need help), but at the same time, if we don't, then we are healed. Either way, whether we are healed through medicine, no medicine, or death, God's Will has been done.

So the reasoning you use here is that whatever happens, whether healing, or death, God's Will has been done . . . The only problem with this reasoning is it assumes that whatever happens is God's Will. And when you try to apply that to other areas of Christian living . . . . Say sin for instance, then you assume that because a CHristian sins, that it was God's Will?

Where is the line drawn? Is everything that happens God's Will?

Sin and sickness are completely seperate issues. For instance, sickness is something that occurs to us mostly outside of our control. Sin, however, is us going against God's Will which places it inside of our control. This is why it is called sin, missing the mark...the mark being God's Will.

If we seek God's Will in sickness, no matter what, His Will has been accomplished. We are fools to think that something can occur without Him Willing it or at least allowing it (God does allow sin, though He does not will it). Nothing occurs which God could not have prevented.

Sicknesses was one of the results of man's disobedience in the garden of Eden.Sicknesses was a result of sin in the beginning.Could sicknesses today be linked to the fact that we are born with a sin nature?

[nebula]

I think God is up there

"Up there?"

That rather goes against the Lord's promises, don't you think?

John 14

16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever--

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Ps 147:3 - He heals the brokenhearted And binds up their wounds.

Hebrews 13

5 ...For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." 6 So we may boldly say: "The Lord is my helper; I will not fear. What can man do to me?"

Isaiah 61:1-3 (Luke 4:18,19)

1 "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, Because the Lord has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God; To comfort all who mourn, 3 To console those who mourn in Zion, To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified."

but I'm one of those people that does not believe He intervenes too often.

Then why bother praying if God leaves you abandoned?

Again - this view of yours goes against Scripture.