Will Niv Nasb eventually do us in?

[Catsmeow]

YAY!!!! *jumping up and down and waving with excitement!* You said it right, bruh!! :t:

I mean, I can understand someone getting upset about the gender neutral versions but geez, the KJV onlyists drive me nuts...

[Guest Behold]

I'm sorry if some of you felt offended by the fictious sermon that I passed along from another website,but it made me wonder what if?

I went and bought a NIV study guide Bible 6 months ago because I thought the KJV was corrupt.I also have a NASV as well that my grandparents gave to me well over 10 years ago.Now I have done a whole 180 turn from NIV to KJV.

Why you might ask? Because I came to the conclusion that both can't be right,either one is truth and the other false. One leads us astray and the other to Salvation. Or will It REALLY MATTER?

Do I come here to plead that you stop using your NIV? Absolutely NOT,that is not my intention.

My question remains Will the modern translations lead us into FALSE DOCTRINE or not?Or have they already?

[endure4salvation]

My question remains Will the modern translations lead us into FALSE DOCTRINE or not?Or have they already?

I will not get into a heated debate here, because that is pointless and condemned in Scripture and I have learned that the hard way, but I will ask you why you think that there are different doctrines in one Bible.

The New World Translation is the ONLY version of the Bible that has blantent false doctrine (although just about all of my posts contain spelling errors! ).

The NIV does not take out the deity of Christ or deny any major Christian doctrine. If you are going to claim it does, you must provide some evidence of such.

I will wait and check back later on for your response. God bless you. (PS: don't believe everything you read until you have searched out both sides--I have several books that are KJV ONLY and have rejected such standpoint)

[peaches]

behold . . . that question is something that does not need pondering anymore cos having all these translations has just ruined us already!

little story . . .

a couple of years ago my sister bought a bible and we were all so excited and all cos it was the first that she had bought since becoming serious about the Lord. i don't remember how exactly we found out how bogus the bible was but we ended up having to look in the very old and torn up very KJV that my granny had and we found that some scritures were completely different. they were not even close to being similar contextualy. i was freaked out cos at that time . .there was a new church that had just come out that was known by everyone to be satanic. she returned it the very next day (if i remember correctly). i hate the fact that there are fake "bibles" in seculation.

as someone said . . . we don't just read the bible but we need to study it. laziness has destroyed us to the point that we lack so much knowledge on such genereal stuff and what is even more surprising is that the amount of knowledge about the word of God that one is supposed to have has an age tag on it! this makes no sense to me at all cos there are great men of GOd who started out when they were young. what i am trying to say is that it shouldn't be that the word is taught mildly to younger Christians that older christians. ooops . . . i am digressing.

[The Journey]

Why you might ask? Because I came to the conclusion that both can't be right,either one is truth and the other false. One leads us astray and the other to Salvation. Or will It REALLY MATTER?

Behold,

Any version is only as good as how closely it follows the Greek or Hebrew as it is translated. The KJV is not "corrupted" and neither is the NIV. There is a difference in some passages because different families of manuscripts were used.

A big problem for KJV=onlyists is this:

Which KJV is the one given by God?

Is it the 1611? Or its many "revisions"?

But lets be plain on one fact: All versions are judged with how closely they convey the original to an English reader. Not with how closely they follow a 17th century version translated in Elizabethan English.

- Steve

PS Its nice to see that you still are open to consider the questions. I would recommend books on both sides of the issue. Look at websites both pro and con.

[eric]

A great old chestnut is this thread. Well over sixteen years ago I read my first passage ever from the Living Bible (paraphased) and because of that particular chapter I was convicted by the Holy Spirit, and was subsequently born again in the name of Jesus. At present I have five different versions and use them all from time to time. Any bible that claims that Jesus Christ is the living Son of the living God, and that salvation can be found in Him alone has got to be a good bible. Amen.. enjoy your day.

[The Journey]

Very nice post Eric.

All the versions (with exceptions for those published by cults) are great translations. It is an incredible blessing to live today and have God' Word so accessible.

The differences in the manuscripts are incredibly minor. Its awesome proof that God has preserved His Word for us!!!

A specific rebuttle to what Behold has posted is that no, the NIV and NASB will not do us in. They are based are Greek manuscripts dating approximately 150-200 AD. Most likely not copied but once or twice. Its awesome to have a papyrus manuscript containing John and Paul's letters (P66). We are talking very early!!!

Then speed forward a thousand years and thousands of copies later and you have the Byzantine manuscripts for the which the Textus Receptus (TR) is based. This is the Greek used by the KJV translation team. There are a few innocent additions but it is almost identical to the earliest papyrus manuscripts.

Truly our Bibles are a miracle and a tremendous gift that we can handle and be thankful for every day!!

- Steve

[Guest Behold]

My question remains Will the modern translations lead us into FALSE DOCTRINE or not?Or have they already?

Hi Endures,

First and foremost this is a Future Tense question,Will the FUTURE revision's continue with more verses being left out? To where doctrine accepted today will no longer be recognized?

But to answer your question of Fasle doctrine in the NIV now,I can only answer by saying what has been left out.

I once believed 1John 5:7 from the KJV was spurrious,and hence I disregarded the whole KJV Bible,this led me right into believing the NIV was the true word of God.

Now I ask you would it not be better to leave vs 1John 5:7 in the scriptures to begin with for someone who is struggling to accept the Trinity Doctrine? After all This verse goes hand and hand with John 1:1-3

My NIV has a side note stating this verse was REMOVED because it can not be found on any manuscript before the 14th century.SADLY a statement like this is just going to drive people into the same confusion I went through.

Take a look at Mark 16:9-20

My NIV states in between vs 8 and 9 that "The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20"

Now friend statements like this just cause people to wonder in the validity of the whole Bible in general,Statements like this just chip away your faith that Gods word is INFALLIBLE.

At any rate I'm done with this thread,I regret even starting it.

May God have Mercy on my Soul,my sins keeps me humbled before the LORD.How can I boast when my sins drag me down,Only in JESUS will I be set free AMEN

[RGR]

Yes, like Paul and our new friend "Behold" (welcome to the boards!), I can only boast in Christ and His glory! When I first got back in church a couple of years ago, I gave up my NIV study Bible for a period of time due to reading it was a "tool of Satan" or something of that sort. I went back to being a KJV only dude, but never could bring myself to throw out the NIV Study Bible and eventually wound up being brought back to it due to having trouble, especially in Revelation, with the KJV. Now, not to brag, I'm extremely intelligent with a lineage of high IQ people in the family and I cannot stand the phrasing of the KJV. Thee and thou I can handle, but some of the more archaic words are just simply almost incomprehensible-especially for someone who basically, as myself, speed reads.

I picked up a NT at a yard sale which was translated by a Lutheran pastor, Julian G. Anderson. It's called (long title!)A New Accurate Translation of the Greek New Testament into simple Everyday American English. Our pastor, who can't stand the NIV (though he's not a KJV only-he likes the NASB and some others) absolutely seemed to love it. A few times it seems like it gets a little too simplistic, but by and far, it's a good translation. Mr. Anderson speaks of how that Jesus spoke to the people in the common everyday language and used illustrations they could understand and shouldn't God's Word be the same for people today? If you can find this somewhere, I recommend picking it up. It compliments other translations quite well, but alas, no OT in there! If it helps, the ISBN # is 0-960-2128-4-2.

[The Journey]

Behold,

Its not OK to just leave in I John 5:7 if it is an addition to God's Word!!! No matter what it may "prove."

- Steve