The Rapture

[larryt]

if technology has improved through out history, then why did it take so long for man to come up with anything other then feet, horse/donkey, and wagons, and boats to transport themselves from Abrahams time until the middle of the 1800's?

there has been found a rental agreement for a wagon with boundries set forth in the document that was specific about where that wagon could go, this document was dated to the time frame of Abraham.

and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

and the Lord said to Daniel...

O Daniel, Shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.........and I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, ans sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be a time, times and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the Holy people, all these things shall be finished and I heard but i understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

and He (the Lord) said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.......But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Hi Mike,

What does any of this have to do with the rapture of the church?

LT

[irishcowboy]

Daniel only carries a part of it,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thes, Rev, Is, and others speak more deeply about the end times....

i really must go....

mike

[larryt]

Daniel only carries a part of it,

Matthew, Mark, Luke, Thes, Rev, Is, and others speak more deeply about the end times....

i really must go....

mike

Hi Mike,

not the end time, THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. How does what you wrote have to do with the pre-trib rapture?

LT

[Floatingaxe]

if there was no such thing why is it told to us that those that are dead in Christ shall rise, and those that remain and in Christ will follow????? we are told that we will meet Him (Christ) in the clouds.....

people are waiting for a man to walk this earth again, only thing is, the one that will walk it first is the anti-christ..... until the 3.5 year mark into the trib....

mike

The rising of the dead in christ first then the ones who remain all happen in the twinkling of a eye. It all happens at the same time.

Yep... in a twinkling of an eye, the dead in Christ rise, and then we who are alive will rise right after!

[cjrose]

*sigh* I do believe in a rapture--and it won't be so secret! Everyone will notice it!

Amen to that! Let the trumpets roar and the hoofs come a gallaping along!! It will definately be noticed.

[Eagle76]

I have been raised in the Babtist church but have attended nondeminanational and Assembly of God churches also. I have always been taught and believed in the rapture of the church in all of these. The other night I saw a T.V show that says the rapture is not mentioned in the Bible. I have looked in the Bible where I thought it was and it is not there. Help Please.

Please dear brother read Matthew24,1-x and 1thessalonians4,1-x and 1thessalonians5,1-x

[eric]

Shlomo

NO body ran Jackie off the boards. She became out of her depth and left of her own free will.

[Guest ciro]

I have been raised in the Babtist church but have attended nondeminanational and Assembly of God churches also. I have always been taught and believed in the rapture of the church in all of these. The other night I saw a T.V show that says the rapture is not mentioned in the Bible. I have looked in the Bible where I thought it was and it is not there. Help Please.

KJ -

True - the word "rapture" does not appear in the Bible. Rapture is from the word translated "caught up" in the scripture LJ referenced - 1 Thes 4:17. Paul's original letter was written to the Church in Greek. The word he used was harpagasoumetha, which means to "be caught up" or "seized" or "snatched away." For a thousand years, the only Bible translation available was the Latin Vulgate and the word rapture is a transliteration (not translation) of the word used in the Latin version of that scripture.

So if anyone challenges you, they are only argueing semantics. If they don't like 'rapture' then let them call it 'the catching away.' The theological term is the Translation of the Church. But they are all one-in-the-same. Why-so-blind is slightly confused between answering your question (where is it in scripture) and debating the meaning of what appears in scripture.

Hope that helps...

The rapture is based on a vision of a 15-year old Scottish girl named Margaret Macdonald. It isnt in the bible. Jesus will only come back one more time and that will be the end of it. The rapture teaches that christians will be raptured away by Jesus to avoid tribulation. So the rapture really isnt in the bible. But if you wanna believe in the rapture it wont change anything about your salvation it is just part of 90% of the churches now adays doctrine.

you can read about it here

http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/rapture.htm

or here

http://www.netpluscom.com/~johnsonr/rapture.html

Peace Like A River

ThomasC

For correction the word used in GREEK for "caught up" is the word ἁρπάζω (harpazō) meaning, "to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)."

[EricH]

Moved from the Doctrinal Forum to the Eschatology Forum

[Floatingaxe]

I too was raised to believe in the raputre and have for 48 yrs. Last year I really looked into the scriptures and found there was no support for a pretrib rapture. Christians have faced persecution since the begining and will continue to do so until Jesus comes after the tribulation.

Mankinds persecution of Christians is irrelavent, however, there will be no persecution against Christians by God Romans 5:9

9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him! 10For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

We have been reconciled unto God through Christ, there will be no God appointed wrath against the believer. The tribulation is God appointed wrath.

Peace

CJ

So true!