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[Guest loveroftruth]

You have not explained away my verse. Jesus Himself said the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Yet you claim more. Does that mean you do not take Jesus at His word?

AJ, Jesus Christ NEVER mentioned in that verse that Blasphemy is THE ONLY SIN THAT CANNOT BE FORGIVEN!

No? Lets look again.

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

All sins shall be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Pray tell, what does the word "all" mean to you?

AJ, you MISINTERPRETING the holy scriptures...

I will repeat in Mar 3:28

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

It is clearly mentions that All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, Jesus just mentioned here "sins which committed to Jesus in the flesh"

[nebula]

I will repeat in Mar 3:28

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

It is clearly mentions that All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, Jesus just mentioned here "sins which committed to Jesus in the flesh"

Mark 3

22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons." 23 So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." 30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I fail to see how what you are saying fits with the passage.

[ayin jade]

AJ, you MISINTERPRETING the holy scriptures...

I will repeat in Mar 3:28

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

It is clearly mentions that All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, Jesus just mentioned here "sins which committed to Jesus in the flesh"

All sins shall be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Pray tell, what does the word "all" mean to you?

It is not mentioned in the verse! Repent Aj!

All is mentioned in the verse. Lets take a look.

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

With Strongs numbers identifying the greek words.

Mar 3:28 Verily281 I say3004 unto you,5213 All3956 sins265 shall be forgiven863 unto the3588 sons5207 of men,444 and2532 blasphemies988 wherewith soever3745, 302 they shall blaspheme:987

All is Strongs 3956

G3956

πᾶς

pas

pas

Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

If you do not see the word "all" is used in that verse, then you are not reading scripture.

[godrulz]

OSAS is primarily a Calvinistic vs biblical doctrine that fits with TULIP (acronym), but not with Scripture. The Bible affirms that believers are secure IN Christ (Jude 24, 25), but it does not teach that unbelievers have eternal life. The question then is if a believer can revert to unbelief. The Bible has many conditional passages and warnings about the possibility of falling away or apostasy (fall from truth). If an unbeliever can become a believer, then a believer could become an unbeliever (e.g. Judas, Charles Templeton...used to preach during Billy Graham's high profile times). Unless we are sock puppets or robots, we can change our minds and wills.

I Jn. 5:11-13 Eternal life is in the Son, not an irreversible thing given to us at conversion. IF we are in the Son and remain in the Son, we have eternal life. If we reject the Son, even if we once believed, we do not have life.

The Greek present tense is usually a continuous tense. Jn. 3:16, 36 Those who believe and continue to believe (not the one time past aorist tense) will have life.

The grounds (reason for which) of salvation are grace and the person and work of Christ.

The conditions (not without which) of salvation are repentant faith and continuance in the faith.

Monergism says that salvation is all of God. It is true that God alone initiates and provides salvation, but we must appropriate it (synergism).

Love relationships, the essence of reconciliation, must be freely entered into and maintained. They are not caused nor coerced. Nothing can separate us from the love of God. The sin of persistent, defiant unbelief against great light will separate us relationally forever from God. It is not just one sin like lust that instantly causes loss of salvation as one poster wrongly implies.

Hebrews 6 refers to those who were believers (note the language= clearly talking about genuine believers), but have reverted back to Judaism (cf. Christians who become Muslims, Mormons, Buddhists, JWs, Jews, etc.). If they trust the shadow/type of animal sacrifices and continue to do so, they are apostates and will be lost. If they come to their senses, they could be restored. Only those who continue to reject Christ cannot be brought back to repentance (based on all relevant texts vs proof texts).

Robert Shank's "Life in the Son: A study of the doctrine of perseverance" exegetes the relevant texts (OSAS and non-OSAS share similar verses, but understand them differently; as well, we affirm the OSAS texts that are for BELIEVERS, but do not ignore the stern warnings about the possibility of apostasy and becoming an UNBELIEVER with no life nor security).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/155661091...TF8&s=books

[godrulz]

What do you mean like BC preaches? Baptist Conference?

[Floatingaxe]

Matthew 7...

Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

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[nebula]

As I mentioned before in one of these threads:

Fruit bears witness to the tree - works bears witness to salvation.

Works is evidence of salvation, not the way to obtain salvation.

[billie]

As I mentioned before in one of these threads:

Fruit bears witness to the tree - works bears witness to salvation.

Works is evidence of salvation, not the way to obtain salvation.

[RGR]

As I mentioned before in one of these threads:

Fruit bears witness to the tree - works bears witness to salvation.

Works is evidence of salvation, not the way to obtain salvation.

[kittylover0991]

AJ, you MISINTERPRETING the holy scriptures...

I will repeat in Mar 3:28

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

It is clearly mentions that All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, Jesus just mentioned here "sins which committed to Jesus in the flesh"

All sins shall be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Pray tell, what does the word "all" mean to you?

It is not mentioned in the verse! Repent Aj!

All is mentioned in the verse. Lets take a look.

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

With Strongs numbers identifying the greek words.

Mar 3:28 Verily281 I say3004 unto you,5213 All3956 sins265 shall be forgiven863 unto the3588 sons5207 of men,444 and2532 blasphemies988 wherewith soever3745, 302 they shall blaspheme:987

All is Strongs 3956

G3956

πᾶς

pas

pas

Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

If you do not see the word "all" is used in that verse, then you are not reading scripture.

Amen! "All" means all, and that's all "all" means Praise the Lord