Rise of Fascism

[angels4u]

There is no right to privacy written into the Constitution but I think it should have been. I really do, it's not perfect but it's all we have to preserve our eroding freedoms before it's too late.

Come gather 'round people

Wherever you roam

And admit that the waters

Around you have grown

And accept it that soon

You'll be drenched to the bone.

If your time to you

Is worth savin'

Then you better start swimmin'

Or you'll sink like a stone

For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics

Who prophesize with your pen

And keep your eyes wide

The chance won't come again

And don't speak too soon

For the wheel's still in spin

And there's no tellin' who

That it's namin'.

For the loser now

Will be later to win

For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen

Please heed the call

Don't stand in the doorway

Don't block up the hall

For he that gets hurt

Will be he who has stalled

There's a battle outside

And it is ragin'.

It'll soon shake your windows

And rattle your walls

For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers

Throughout the land

And don't criticize

What you can't understand

Your sons and your daughters

Are beyond your command

Your old road is

Rapidly agin'.

Please get out of the new one

If you can't lend your hand

For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn

The curse it is cast

The slow one now

Will later be fast

As the present now

Will later be past

The order is

Rapidly fadin'.

And the first one now

Will later be last

For the times they are a-changin'.

[angels4u]

Sorry I couldn't help myself and had to post the song from Bob Dylon

[st. Worm]

definition [fascism] a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

1st amendment of the constitution of the united states of America

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

End of story right? Not exactly...

Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter that seemed to be the igniting factor for the doctrin of seperation of church and state. Here it is.

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson

Jan.1.1802.

The funny thing is that this where the doctrine originates. Seperation of church and state is not in the constitution. Also it prevents people from excersising ANY religous activity within a government institution. This misinterperitation of Mr. Thomas Jeffersons` letter has lead to one of the most unconstitutional underpinnings of American society.

Exactly..prevent religious activity within government. Look at the power the Taliban had over it's people in Afganistan and see the danger it poses.

We are already seeing the true signs of religious extremism in the government. Unfortunately the religion that has control over our government and most of our culture is the religion of secular humanism. I can only laugh at people who are trying to say Christian extremists are influencing the government. Where is it?

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[John Lennon]

What is morally right in one culture may not be in another..

This is completely absured man.

Morality is not relative.

Truth does not change with time or place.

Right and wrong do not change with time or place.

1+1 = 2 anywhere you go.

Muder is WRONG regardless of what man says.

stealing is WRONG regardless of what man says.

and so on.

Adultery is WRONG, as is homosexuality, and it doesn't matter who says otherwise.

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consequences of moral relativity:

If morality were relative, then nobody would have any right to pass any laws whatsoever.

someone could break into your house, rob you, and rape your wife, and you would have no right to complain. After all their "morals" permit them to do that. To them, there is nothing wrong with stealing and rape, and because your "morals" say morality isn't the same for different people, then you have no moral right to do anything about it, after all, they are simply doing what they believe.

Moral relativity therefore leads to absolute anarchy in which there is no common law.

[anitarose]

1st amendment of the constitution of the united states of America

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The funny thing is that this where the doctrine originates. Seperation of church and state is not in the constitution. Also it prevents people from excersising ANY religous activity within a government institution. This misinterperitation of Mr. Thomas Jeffersons` letter has lead to one of the most unconstitutional underpinnings of American society.

[billie]

Has anyone seen the movie "V for Vendetta."

The movies does a great job illustrating what can happen to a society that is run by religious zealots.

Religion enforced by government is always dangerous no matter what the religion is.

I agree, Katy. The only working theocracy will be when Jesus returns to rule!

[John Lennon]

What is morally right in one culture may not be in another..

This is completely absured man.

Morality is not relative.

Truth does not change with time or place.

Right and wrong do not change with time or place.

1+1 = 2 anywhere you go.

Muder is WRONG regardless of what man says.

stealing is WRONG regardless of what man says.

and so on.

Adultery is WRONG, as is homosexuality, and it doesn't matter who says otherwise.

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consequences of moral relativity:

If morality were relative, then nobody would have any right to pass any laws whatsoever.

someone could break into your house, rob you, and rape your wife, and you would have no right to complain. After all their "morals" permit them to do that. To them, there is nothing wrong with stealing and rape, and because your "morals" say morality isn't the same for different people, then you have no moral right to do anything about it, after all, they are simply doing what they believe.

Moral relativity therefore leads to absolute anarchy in which there is no common law.

[John Lennon]

What is morally right in one culture may not be in another..

This is completely absured man.

Morality is not relative.

Truth does not change with time or place.

Right and wrong do not change with time or place.

1+1 = 2 anywhere you go.

Muder is WRONG regardless of what man says.

stealing is WRONG regardless of what man says.

and so on.

Adultery is WRONG, as is homosexuality, and it doesn't matter who says otherwise.

---------------------------------------------------

consequences of moral relativity:

If morality were relative, then nobody would have any right to pass any laws whatsoever.

someone could break into your house, rob you, and rape your wife, and you would have no right to complain. After all their "morals" permit them to do that. To them, there is nothing wrong with stealing and rape, and because your "morals" say morality isn't the same for different people, then you have no moral right to do anything about it, after all, they are simply doing what they believe.

Moral relativity therefore leads to absolute anarchy in which there is no common law.

Man are you twisting things to fit your self-righteous moral code. Homosexuals are people who choose a lifestyle you don't agree with and are entitled to the same rights as you. Live and let live..Man!

[John Lennon]

I fear the rise of of a form of Christian Fundamentalist Fascism in this country. Does anyone else agree that seperation of church and state is an all important part of our consitutional rights?

Maybe you should do some research into the constitution.

Where does the constitution even demand seperation of church and state?

the amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Yet the constitution and Declaration are dated, "In the Year of Our Lord.."(by Implication, Jesus of Nazareth), as are military documents dating back to the time of the Revolution.

I can only hope that liberals and moderate conservatives can see clearly this threat to civil liberties

Liberties? The very Declaration of Independance is founded on the notion that men are created by God! That God is the one who gives man his rights(liberties), and not man made laws or kingships.

I have grown up believing in the individual freedoms that not too long ago I took for granted. But organizations like the Christian Coalition seem to have an agenda to impose their own idea of morality and values on the rest of us.

Darn right. Moral relativism is wrong and ridiculous.

I am very suspicious of a religious group that becomes so political in this country! And how we have stood by and let it happen...Politics and religion should never be allowed to mix.

Politics and religion must of necessity be mixed. To seperate politics from religion is to be a hypocrite. After all, truth is truth and lie is lie. If you believe something (in this case religion), then you must of necessity support laws that support your beliefs.

I am suspiscuous of the Anti Christian Luciferian Union, which has no problem killing unborn children, but pushes for a law making it a crime to transport a pregnant lobster lest the babies be killed.

I hope we americans never see the day when the church once again becomes the strong arm of the law!

Better is a totalitarian government ruled by christians who merely want to see you live for God, than a democracy ruled by neo-paganistic liberals who couldn't care less if you go to hell.

Maybe I sound paranoid, but think about Nazi Germany in the early 1930's...far fetched you say?

The NAZI party can trace its root philosophy directly to Darwinian Evolution. The practice of Nazi Genocide is the direct result of Eugenics, which is simply applied darwinism. Which not-so-coincidentally, Darwinism is one of the ACLU's pet dogmas as well.

You should make sure you know what you're talking about before you start to speak, because its the ACLU that is turning America into a Neo-Nazi nation, and not the church.

The dangerous world we live in seems to be the perfect breeding ground for religious fanatics! The silver lining to all this is so far we have a right to speak out in America and protest peacefully.

Only non-christians have the right to speak out in modern America, unless the christian owns the place where they are speaking. Else the christians mic(s) are pulled at public events, etc. The christians land marks are ruled "unconstitutional" and torn down. The Christians are fired from their jobs for sharing their beliefs or questioning the darwinian/atheistic brainwashing of our youth.

It is the ACLU which censors anything they disagree with. It is the ACLU which persecutes Christians and moral decency, and forces their beliefs upon everyone by banning any opposition from public venues. It is the ACLU which is the modern NAZI party.

I cannot believe you condone a totalitarian rule by Christians! Let us hope you do not get your way. That is scary my friend..I hope you classify as a moral Minority!!!

[Floatingaxe]

We will rule for 1000 years. Better get ready!