Do You Believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved"

[Openly Curious]

Narrow as in one way. Belief in Jesus. Wide is everything else including thinking you can be rightous enough yourself to enter like every other world religion teaches.

Dan

It is Christ blood and His shed blood alone that makes one righteous and not we ourselves or else we wouldn't have needed a Saviour would we. The way is narrow and few there be that find it. It is because of the Lord's righteousness within me that makes me want to follow and obey His will and not of my own self for it is His work within me. I could stir the pot myself here if I should take a mind to but the thread would probably get closed if I did so and I don't think you would be prepared to answer the things I would ask of you in regards to making it to heaven or not in regards to serious questions I have within my own heart in the which I have interest regarding to this subject in this thread.

OC

[dgolvach]

If you have an area of sin in your life then you are living in it. Do you not have any areas of sinfulness in your life?

Dan (sinner)

P.S. of course you don't have to answer this but I will tell you that I can chase this debate down until you will have to either admit that you are living in some degree of sin or that you don't have any areas of sin at all.

[TomPJr]

If you have an area of sin in your life then you are living in it. Do you not have any areas of sinfulness in your life?

Dan (sinner)

P.S. of course you don't have to answer this but I will tell you that I can chase this debate down until you will have either admit that you are living in some degree of sin or that you don't have any areas of sin.

Living in sin doesn't encompass all sin....It only encompasses the sins that you cherrish and are unwilling to repent of (the sins that you know better and you do them anyway_premeditated.

It is not the sins like having a bad temper that you are working on overcoming. If you are making progress and actively trying to overcome them then you aren't living in them. They are accidents.

if you are living in sin, on purpose, and you don't repent of that, then you will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

[Openly Curious]

If you have an area of sin in your life then you are living in it. Do you not have any areas of sinfulness in your life?

Dan (sinner)

P.S. of course you don't have to answer this but I will tell you that I can chase this debate down until you will have either admit that you are living in some degree of sin or that you don't have any areas of sin.

Their is times in my life that I cannot say it is well with my soul as I go through times of disobedience as I get stubborn sometimes and have to be brought back in line from the chastening of the Lord in my personal life and have to come to a place of repentance or die in my sins (Hebrews 12:5-11). But I can say that during this time in my life I have a clear conscious with the Lord and can say it is well with my soul. I can say that I am not comitting wilful acts of sin against the Lord and that is the difference.

I do not get up everyday seeking to engage in sin. I get up seeking to stay close to the Lord and stay faithful to him in his sight. Chase away I am not going anywhere.

OC

[eric]

If you have an area of sin in your life then you are living in it. Do you not have any areas of sinfulness in your life?

Dan (sinner)

P.S. of course you don't have to answer this but I will tell you that I can chase this debate down until you will have to either admit that you are living in some degree of sin or that you don't have any areas of sin at all.

You are going explain what sin areas you are referring to. You make it sound that there is something in our past, that we have repented of, but occasionally. purposefully slide back into it. I don't think that a christian could say that there is a specific sin that he commits, placing himself in jeopardy of losing his salvation. As someone mentioned the road is narrow and sometimes we may slip, unwittingly, but if we repent as soon as we realise what we have done, then all is not lost., but if you deliberately step off the road and refuse to admit your blunder and dont repent..........be it on your own head.

[eric]

Sorry OC we must have been typing at the same time, but we are similar in response.

[Guest lnj]

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Yes, you probably will have sin when you die or when Christ returns, but God judges your heart.(not the amount of sin)

Yes, God looks at a man's Heart. Correct. There are no grey areas in Salvation and who receives Salvation...it is offered to EVERYONE....But, the sincerity of Loving God and Obedience to His Word isn't always therein some believers. And I'm talking about Obedience to His Word as one's Way of Life. For out of the Heart flow the issues of Life and it's the Heart that Jesus will be looking at, not the motions of Religious activity. Your Heart pulsates with Life, so should your Heart pulsate With the Love of God....The very Life of God ..which is Love..God IS LOVE...this is the Fruit Salvation produces in a Spirit filled Believer of Jesus Christ. Any other fruit is from the deceiver.

[Larry 2]

I BET HALF THE PEOPLE WHO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION DONT REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER DO THEY?

Dear Robert, I could care less what people try to say when they condemn scripture with man's thinking taken out of context. I have heard of the dog returning to it's vomit, and the sow wallowing in the mire, but I have yet to hear of a sheep turning into one of those dirty creatures. Is that somehow tied to evolution?

In any event I will just paste a portion of a Christian pamphlet I wrote concerning salvation with security that I may sometime post in its entirety. If scripture does not convince a person, I have nothing else.

SECURITY - Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (You can't pluck yourself out either)

John 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. (Notice in this verse that we have been given to Jesus by our Father)

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John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (We were given to Jesus and we did come to Him, and He will not cast us out for any reason regardless of our failures)

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.(Do you believe that this is saying Jesus plans on doing His Father's will? John 8:29 goes on to say that Jesus always does those things that please His Father.)

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." - Is Jesus going to be able to accomplish the will of His Father and raise all those the Father gave Him up at the last day?

John 6:44 "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

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I John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

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In Hebrews 13:5 We are told, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life. . .

John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." I know what everlasting mean and it is not conditional life. Next John 10:27-30 paraphrased for brevity says us believers hear Jesus' voice and follow Him in 27, He gives us eternal life in 28, we've been given to Jesus by the Father and nobody is able to pluck them out of His Father's hand in 29. Now in John 6:37 since we've been given to Jesus, all those of us that were given to Him shall come to Him and He will never cast us out (regardless of our failures) and then in 38 He goes on to say that He came down from heaven to complete the will of His Father and I believe He will do just that, and that is that He lose not one of us that He has been given, but raise us up at the last day - You are more than secure in our Lord who didn't just spill His blood for us but poured it out on purpose Thank You Jesus for life eternal and that means forever. Our reward there will be different depending upon our walk with Him.

May God bless you all in Jesus' name - larry 2

[Guest lnj]

We need to believe All of the Bible.

[Larry 2]

I BET HALF THE PEOPLE WHO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION DONT REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER DO THEY?

Dear Robert, I could care less what people try to say when they condemn scripture with man's thinking taken out of context. I have heard of the dog returning to it's vomit, and the sow wallowing in the mire, but I have yet to hear of a sheep turning into one of those dirty creatures. Is that somehow tied to evolution?

In any event I will just paste a portion of a Christian pamphlet I wrote concerning salvation with security that I may sometime post in its entirety. If scripture does not convince a person, I have nothing else.

SECURITY - Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (You can't pluck yourself out either)

John 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. (Notice in this verse that we have been given to Jesus by our Father)

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John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (We were given to Jesus and we did come to Him, and He will not cast us out for any reason regardless of our failures)

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.(Do you believe that this is saying Jesus plans on doing His Father's will? John 8:29 goes on to say that Jesus always does those things that please His Father.)

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." - Is Jesus going to be able to accomplish the will of His Father and raise all those the Father gave Him up at the last day?

John 6:44 "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

__________________________________________

I John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

__________________________________________

In Hebrews 13:5 We are told, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life. . .

John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." I know what everlasting mean and it is not conditional life. Next John 10:27-30 paraphrased for brevity says us believers hear Jesus' voice and follow Him in 27, He gives us eternal life in 28, we've been given to Jesus by the Father and nobody is able to pluck them out of His Father's hand in 29. Now in John 6:37 since we've been given to Jesus, all those of us that were given to Him shall come to Him and He will never cast us out (regardless of our failures) and then in 38 He goes on to say that He came down from heaven to complete the will of His Father and I believe He will do just that, and that is that He lose not one of us that He has been given, but raise us up at the last day - You are more than secure in our Lord who didn't just spill His blood for us but poured it out on purpose Thank You Jesus for life eternal and that means forever. Our reward there will be different depending upon our walk with Him.

May God bless you all in Jesus' name - larry 2