New bible cuts out difficult parts

[ayin jade]

I don't personally use any translation except the King James Bible, because it is the only one that comes from the Textus Receptus, the original manuscripts used by the early church. The other translations come from numerous less reliable manuscripts found in various caves.

In addition, if you believe that God preserved his Word, all translations cannot be equal, because they say differen't things. I didn't always hold to this view, but after comparing modern translations with the KJV, I have seen so many changes, I won't have anything to do with the new ones anymore. I would suggest you compare scriptures from your Bible with the King James Version and see if they say the same thing. Then you be the judge.

The Modern King James version uses the Textus Receptus too.

And if you want to compare how the KJV you use deleted things, I would be more than happy to show you.

[Marnie]

The doctrine of inspiration applies only to the original autographs, not to translations and not to the manuscripts we have today. All translations are the result of committees of men, doing their best to present a readable, honorable version of very old documents. Knowledge of the original languages increases all the time, which is why I maintain--sorry Butero--the KJV is unreliable. We just know more now than when it was translated. Further, the NIV does not cut out verses or parts of verses. Portions in question appear in the footnotes. I have met John Kohlenburger, one of the translators of the original NIV and know him to be a godly man, filled with the Holy Spirit and a very able historian and scholar in both OT Hebrew and NT Greek.

[Footsteps]

Why don't they just take out the part about Jesus dying for our sins.

Yeah! that's the ticket!!

[eric]

If someone removes any part of any bible, be it KJV, NIV, NkJV, NASB, it becomes a fake. And that goes for the ones like the amplified who add bits in. God hand picked his writers and it is my belief, that His translaters were hand picked as well, even if they didn't know it themselves. God must have known there would be some blockheads like me in the pipeline and I have no trouble with the KJV

[Spunky]

It doesn't surprise me that people attempt to change what

God's message is to suite themselves. Yet it saddens me!

Since the topic did come up I do have a question someone may

be able to answer about comparing bibles.

I have 2 on hand bibles KJV and the NAB and many others on

the web. I really like them both.

My question is when comparing the contents I am stumped as to

why the books of Tobit and Judith are left out of the KJV, so if

anyone has the answer I'd appreciate it.

No arguments though I'm really just interested I hold nothing

against the KJV I still like it too!

God Bless!

[Spunky]

Butero,

Thx for responding so quickly, yes both Tobit and Judith are in my NAB

but I'm not sure if there's more than one version of the NAB mines is

the Saint Joseph Edition.

I really like being able to compare bibles and I will try and find out if

my esword can get the earlier editions you mention, if not I'll be on

the look out at bookstores for them.

God Bless!

[Spunky]

Butero,

Thx for responding so quickly, yes both Tobit and Judith are in my NAB

but I'm not sure if there's more than one version of the NAB mines is

the Saint Joseph Edition.

I really like being able to compare bibles and I will try and find out if

my esword can get the earlier editions you mention, if not I'll be on

the look out at bookstores for them.

God Bless!

I'm glad I could clear that up for you. Other books of the Apocrypha include:

1 ESDRAS

2 ESDRAS

THE REST OF ESTHER

WISDOM OF SOLOMON

ECCLESIASTICUS

BARUCH

SONG OF THE 3 HOLY CHILDREN

SUSANNA

BEL AND THE DRAGON

PRAYER OF MANESSEH

1 MACCABEES

2 MACCABEES

That is interesting that your Bible would include Tobit and Judith and leave these out. By the way, you should be able to get one of these Bibles from Gullions Christian Supply store. That is the local Christian Book Store I usually do business with. While their physical location is in North Carolina, they are also on-line. http://www.gullions.com

God bless you too.

again lol,

okay my NAB has all on your list except for the following :

Esdras 1 & 2

Susanna

Bel and the Dragon

Prayer of Menessah

these also are not in my KJV

So now I'm really anxious to actually read these missing

books lol, you've peeked my interest extremely lol!

God Bless!

[ayin jade]

My thread has been hijacked.

[Spunky]

sorry Jadey

I don't agree with altering scripture to the point that

it no longer means what God intended it to mean!

God Bless!

[heartofstone]

I have been predicting for years that the result of all the modern translations would be the printing of new Bibles tailored to fit the audience. If someone wants the Bible to read in a certain fashion, they will make one for them. They began this with the gender neutral abomination and the New World Translation, but it won't stop there. There will be more subtle Bibles especially promoting the doctrine of the churches they are marketed to. To outright remove "difficult parts" of scripture and admit it is pretty bold, but translations like the NIV have already been deleting and changing portions of scripture. It will only get worse. Best bet, stay with the King James Version only.

Good to bring up the translations that we already have. I think when I first started out in the faith, wanting a new Bible I was more trusting of the translations that were out even though I was still concerned about what might have been lost in the two thousand years since Christ. Maybe it was beneficial in the days of the Catholic Church that they didn't translate the Bible and pass it out to everyone because then they would have likely done just this, with adding and subtracting to the Word of God. At least then their method was just to keep a great majority of people from actually being able to read it (part sarcasm but something to still think about). But anyway, I actually worried if modern Bibles were ever edited in this fashion and we just never knew about it. That's worse, and far more scary to me because those re-printing the Bible don't even have to tell us what they've done. sure, with the older versions we should know but it's not like everyone today can have access to the older translations. Like you said, I guess that does make it a good thing that at least there's still the KJ version. Perhaps it's older than political correctness.

I was appalled by this guy's statements though. Sure, some of us might have expected this sort of thing to happen sometime, but I just cant believe it. The things he's actually unafraid to come right out and say.... it's horrible! I mean, I think it was one thing to really feel that way even when one calls himself/herself a Christian and attends church and all that, but I can't believe that these guys are actually taking out portions of the Bible. What ever happened to humility!? I can't believe this!! And here some of us are thinking that Americans are bad for being materialistic and horribly selfish and just completely idiotically misled by the pleasures of this world!! See! I just want to say, that in some small part at least, this just has to prove that without Christ telling some of us to, people wouldn't likely even be kind-hearted and giving and concerned for the less fortunate. I bet they think they have good fortune either from their own merit/hard work/efforts or just because they're so good the rewards are evidence of how deserving they are. Sorry about the diatribe, it's just wow, just think about the kind of access people with those beliefs could have to newcomers to the faith... I can't imagine having only a few copies in circulation that weren't in some way edited to please the hearts of evil, selfish men.