Homosexuals within the Christian faith

[kittylover0991]

I have to fervently believe that homosexuals actually PERMEATE the old-line denominational power-structures of today such as the Church of Rome, United Methodist, Presbyterian USA (which just elected a radical pro-homosexual moderator), plus the Unitarian-Universalist folk, et al. In fact, the homosexuals harbor a homosexual/lesbian church of their own making - metropolitan "free-to-be" - ie, in our books, free to be as anti-Judeo-Christian morality, anti-Christ and anti-Bible as humanly possible! Still, Jesus Christ loves them all - not their sin - and waits to give new life thru faith in His Holy Name. Check John 5:24 & Ephesians 2:8,9.

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Hi Arthur,

Just a side note, Unitarians-Universalits are not Christian, they don't even claim to be apostate Christians. Their official teachings are that any belief is cool, most are agnostics.

lol, I am so sorry Smalcald, I just couldn't help but chuckle when you said that I have a friend who is "Unitarian Universalist" and we've had discussions about Christianity and other religions, so what you said has a place in my heart After talking with him, all I've found is that he is merely confused, because Unitarian Universalists teach every God and every religion except for Christianity and they teach their followers to choose whatever religion, or actually, not choose but come to accept any religion. He has also just recently come out and said that he is gay, even after having a girlfriend only a couple years ago *sigh*

There is turning away and there is temptation.

I agree that any sex outside of marriage between a man and a women is sin, either fornication if you are not married yet, or adultery if you are having sex with someone who is not your spouse while married (which unlike fornication would also include kissing, flirting etc with someone who is not your wife). But anyway gay sex falls into those categories.

However gay sex is no worse than two heterosexual people who are living together outside of marriage and having sex, or two people who get an unbiblical or non-annulled divorce and re-marry while they are still spiritually married to their first wife, or looking at pornography, or masturbating, the list goes on. So how hard do we want to swing this hammer of judgement on those wrestling with very powerful sexual urges that attract them to the same sex? Now I totally agree there is no wiggle room in scripture, gay sex is sinful and must be repented of like all sin. But I just think we should be consistent and look at this as an issue of sexual purity, regardless of the particular sexual temptation.

I do think we need to really work at sexual purity and work at helping people obtain sexual purity, and this would include people with gay sexual urges.

lol Smalcald,

This is a topic that seems to dominate a lot of threads on the boards, a lot of discussions in the world and churches, and many times what is preached from the pulpit. Please dont' get me wrong, I am not saying that homosexuality is worse than any other sin, because it is just that, sin. However, I dont know, maybe this is just at some churches ( I know mine does), but there IS preaching against remarrying. I really don't know how to say this right, but I know that if you divorce your spouse (over unbiblical things of course) that you loose your membership... and also dealing with getting divorced and remarried. I am basing that only off of what I have heard, but I think that has a great deal to do with unrepentence. For instance, you aren't going to have someone in your church that is homosexual, unrepentent, thinks it is right, and have them as a member of the church, much less in a position of authority such as a sunday school teacher, or a youth leader. That just doens't make sense. Howbiet, many times a church does not know which can easily be a differetn story. lol I think I am hitting a really nasty rabbit trail, but I know there are things that I personally struggle with... and I know that there are things that others struggle with to, but it one thing to be in prayer and dealing with that sin, handing it over to God, then to blantantly sin, and possibly even voice that to others that something such as homosexuality or adultery is alright.

lol, again, one of those subjects I know very little about, so please excuse me if I said something inaccurate in that, but, I know that at least my church, we hold sin as sin, as homosexuality is as bad as divorcing and remarrying while one is still "spiritually married (you know? I LOVE that term so much ) to their wife or husband. Praise the Lord there are a still a few churches that still take that stand, that sin is sin, but that also doesn't mean we should over look this sin of homosexuality, becuase it IS serious.

Hope this helps

Crystal

[ray]

How can one be a homosexual and a Christian at the same time? The answer is called denial,

The Bible says you can not serve two maters. Either you love the one and hate the other or love the one hate the other.

[Smalcald]

How can one be a homosexual and a Christian at the same time? The answer is called denial,

The Bible says you can not serve two maters. Either you love the one and hate the other or love the one hate the other.

Well what do you mean by a homosexual? Do you mean a man who actually has sex with other men, or do you mean a man who all of his life has only been sexually attracted to other men, and struggles against his desires.

I agree a Christian who willingly and openly rejects sexual purity by having sex outside of marriage is in denial. But we all face temptation to sin, it is what we do with it that counts. For whatever reason there is a group of people in the world probably between 3-8% of the population who have only sexual and romantic desires for people of the same sex. Most will never lose this desire, even after prayer, it is a cross they must carry. Celibacy is not easy, but that is what they are called to if they are Christian.

The danger is that they don't deal with these thoughts and desires, don't accept celibacy as they were called to be, and marry women, like Haggard did. Look at the damage he has caused, he should have remained celibate and dedicated his life to the Lord in that way.

[jackie d]

it is the acts of homosexuality that are sinful..

[Floatingaxe]

it is the acts of homosexuality that are sinful..

And thoughts.

[irishcowboy]

not just the thought, for temptation is a thought, it is what is done with the thoughts, what a person does with the temptation, do they dwell on it of rebuke it and move on....

temptation is not a sin,

thinking a person is attractive is not a sin, it is what is done with the thoughts.....

mike

[Smalcald]

not just the thought, for temptation is a thought, it is what is done with the thoughts, what a person does with the temptation, do they dwell on it of rebuke it and move on....

temptation is not a sin,

thinking a person is attractive is not a sin, it is what is done with the thoughts.....

mike

[Smalcald]

I think Christians who may call themselves gay or are stuck with gay sexual urgings, and fight the lifelong battle, are very brave indeed. They are much stronger for example than the majorities of our own congregations who have had sex outside of marriage. I think God may have very special plans for them

[ray]

I think Christians who may call themselves gay or are stuck with gay sexual urgings, and fight the lifelong battle, are very brave indeed. They are much stronger for example than the majorities of our own congregations who have had sex outside of marriage. I think God may have very special plans for them

Do you feel this way about everyone who has a compulsive adddictive hurt habbit or hang up?

[Arthur Durnan]

So the mind can be filled with abominable thots such as those pertaining to the sin of homosexuality - and these kind folk are under special consideration for special plans & majestic service by the righteous God?! Incredible beyond words. And the guy out of Colorado Springs is the epitome of Christian exemplary stature?

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