What makes an atheist so scary

[Artemus Prime]

All the evidence point toward the fact that there must be a creater so a true atheist refuses to believe inspite of the evidence not because of it.And yes you have completely missed my point.2ndly to think that calling hypocrites christians is tolerance is obserd.It is far from morally mature.To claim christianity then live a life of sin and debotchory is shameless at best and blasphamy at worst.I have no fear of atheist I pity them aswell as others who do not know Christ as their saviour.This life on this earth is but a blink of the eye compared to eternity.All who reject the salvation freely offered to them by God the creater will have chosen for themselves to burn for all of eternity,never ending on and on forever and ever.This is not what I want for you or any one neither does God that is why Jesus gave his life to save yours.

Ok, I'm going to be open to your claims. Can you back up your first claim with some of the evidence you say there is for a Creator? Yes, I want some concrete evidence for the extraordinary claim that a complex and creative minded being designed life. I do not refuse to believes things for which there is sufficient evidence, I just have no seen sufficient evidence for the claim that there exists a Creator. On the other hand I've seen scientific study after scientific study in support of natural origins of life. Well I certainly don't claim myself a Christian, and arguably I don't actually commit too many sins as described in the Bible as I was raised and still live in a Christian household, and I respect the lifestyle and moral attitude. But I also believe Christianity has a lot wrong with it, especially the idea of absolute moral laws ... that is an unchanging code that cannot shift along with changes in society. This presents a real problem as science uncovers more mysteries, and more ethical issues with which religious tends to poke it's head into on completely unsubstantiated grounds. I'm certainly not worried about burning for all eternity, but it humbles me that you believe your God has designated such a place for me, he really does care My life is not in danger, I am in no need of saving. I'm just living, and I'm trying to live as honestly and truthfully as I can, and that means I won't sell my soul to any religion, no matter how appealing, if it rests on the tenets of faith and superstition.

Sorry to just jump in here...I was just wondering if you were at all familiar with Behe's irreducible complexity argument, and to get your thoughts on it...as well, I would say here that Christian Theism holds more to the concept that there does exist an objective truth; in other words, what is true remains so regardless of what individuals, or even cultures, say of it...blessings, A.P.

[JCgirl4eternity]

An atheist Is really his own God, so he makes his own laws as to what is right and wrong. This is also very dangerous, both for himself and others.

What if one of his (the atheist's) own "laws" is understanding and respecting human life and empathizing with human suffering, thus actually prohibiting himself from actions that harm or cause suffering (what you referred to as dangerous). I hold myself to this "law" as you call it because I recognize my own need to live with as little suffering and harm inflicted upon myself. If I prohibited behavior that was physically harmful and dangerous, likely to cause suffering, then I would be prohibiting it against my own self as well, which isn't the type of society I'd like to be living in. Just because people have decisions for themselves doesn't mean they chose inherently selfishly.

Let's say you followed that "law" 100%. What if you saw someone in trouble needing help and the only way you could help them is to sacrifice your own health? Would you go against your law and rescue that person? Or would you keep to the law since that is your goal in life and not save the person?

This is where that "law" has to have error. To put someone before yourself is breaking that "law" because you are purposely putting yourself in danger of suffering. But if you don't, you will also be breaking that "law" because you will not be respecting other human life.

[Matthitjah]

What if one of his (the atheist's) own "laws" is understanding and respecting human life and empathizing with human suffering, thus actually prohibiting himself from actions that harm or cause suffering (what you referred to as dangerous). I hold myself to this "law" as you call it because I recognize my own need to live with as little suffering and harm inflicted upon myself. If I prohibited behavior that was physically harmful and dangerous, likely to cause suffering, then I would be prohibiting it against my own self as well, which isn't the type of society I'd like to be living in. Just because people have decisions for themselves doesn't mean they chose inherently selfishly.

I completely agree and I think it comes down a matter of self respect with regards to what standard someone holds themselves to...and respect for humanity in general.

Grace to you,

How will you ever know if a decision you have made, that is personally beneficial and thereby societally beneficial as well, has ever negatively impacted anyone?

Could you live with your self and your set of laws if you had unknowingly violated one of your own principles?

Who's to Judge what is societally beneficial?

I'm sure you'll say their time tested.

However practicing Homosexuality has been time tested to be an abhorent practice by most societal norms. However of late it's not only become trendy but fashionable and also said by the relevant intelligentsia to harm no one. Practiced to it's pen-ultimate it would produce irreversible harm to socity though.

So who's set of moral standards of conduct shall we follow? Which part of society sets the normative behavior that hurts no one?

How about the Muslim model? Is their harm in their personal truth?

Peace,

Dave

[sweetycakes]

I've read through all 40 pages of this interesting thread. I don't find atheists scary but I find posts such as this scary:

I would like to add this. I think morals do seperate atheist, (and even those of other religions) from those who believe on Christ.

Those of us who have believed on Christ do not (rather I will say should not) live by a code of conduct. I can careless about the so-called morals that one deems themselves to hold. Gal 2:20a says this I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:. This is what seperates a Christian and even the most "moral" atheist. I thank God for Christ in me.

Many christians seem to think that because they believe in their religion (christianity), they are somehow better than everyone else. They could "care less" about others' morals.

There are several posts claiming that "atheists are controlled by satan", "atheists are deluded", "atheists will meet their maker whether they believe it or not", "atheists are created by god whether they believe it or not," "atheistic views are the reason for the problems in our society."

These types of statements are arrogant and judgemental. And while yes, this is a christian forum, making these types of statements are some of the very reasons why atheists' replies come across as angry. Why is it that christians can judge atheists? I thought your very religion teaches you, "judge not, lest ye be judged."

It's not atheists who are scary.

BTW, not all posts in this thread are arrogant and judgemental. I've enjoyed reading the back and forth conversations between those who are open-minded and truly wanting to learn about others.

That part is true

[wc4Jc]

AM I scared of an atheist? Not in the least...They are no different from any other person who is in search of what they feel makes them be right. Mind you I said "in search of".

I am though, quite concerned for them, as well as any other non-believer. There are too many today that are searching. I feel they are like a person with cataracts. Their vision is clouded, and until the cataracts are removed, then they are not capable of ever ending their search.

I truly also believe that an "atheist" when they say, they do not believe in God...are simply using that as an excuse. Hey even Satan believes in God.

[Guest]

"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24

The Scariest Thing About Atheists

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

They Know Not Jesus

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Hebrews 12:2

Yet

"They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him." Psalms 126:5-6

Be Blessed Beloved

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Joe

[Candi770]

I've read through all 40 pages of this interesting thread. I don't find atheists scary but I find posts such as this scary:

I would like to add this. I think morals do seperate atheist, (and even those of other religions) from those who believe on Christ.

Those of us who have believed on Christ do not (rather I will say should not) live by a code of conduct. I can careless about the so-called morals that one deems themselves to hold. Gal 2:20a says this I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:. This is what seperates a Christian and even the most "moral" atheist. I thank God for Christ in me.

Many christians seem to think that because they believe in their religion (christianity), they are somehow better than everyone else. They could "care less" about others' morals.

There are several posts claiming that "atheists are controlled by satan", "atheists are deluded", "atheists will meet their maker whether they believe it or not", "atheists are created by god whether they believe it or not," "atheistic views are the reason for the problems in our society."

These types of statements are arrogant and judgemental. And while yes, this is a christian forum, making these types of statements are some of the very reasons why atheists' replies come across as angry. Why is it that christians can judge atheists? I thought your very religion teaches you, "judge not, lest ye be judged."

It's not atheists who are scary.

BTW, not all posts in this thread are arrogant and judgemental. I've enjoyed reading the back and forth conversations between those who are open-minded and truly wanting to learn about others.

The person was saying they rely completely and soley on God alone, not themselves. Morals will not save us, only Christ. It's not about religion, it's a relationship with Christ.

blessings

candi770

[Arthur Durnan]

Gee whiz, don't self-concocted "atheists" spend far too much time debating about a God Whom they say doesn't even exist? Why squabble for a lifetime over a non-entity? Shades of The Whiffenpoof Song, yes?

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[Candi770]

There really isn't much difference from an athiest and a self righteous supposed christian. They rely on self

Lets rely on Christ!

[Candi770]

There really isn't much difference from an athiest and a self righteous supposed christian.

Really? Atheists lack a belief in god where self rightous christians think they know-it-all about their god. You don't see the difference?

a self-righteous christian relys on self to make it through, an athiest relys on self to make it through

a true christian relys soley on God.