Could you please forgive us

[backontrack]

Forgive me, I did not mean your heart! The wounded heart is sick and needs healing and that's the kind of people we are dealing with here. The beer is just a symptom but the wounds go much deeper then that and if you remember God has forgiven us our trespasses and sins and he want

[Guest man]

When we ask forgiveness we open the door for God to heal them because they then have the initiative to forgive this horrible tragedy against them and can then forgive our nation for doing it to them. Can you imagin the release here! The vision God has given me is this because the hurt is so deep and everything man has done has thus far has not worked. I will not rest till I pass this throughout our nation. I want nothing in return no lime light but to see these people saved and I confess this in the Name of My Lord Jesus I will see it happen.

How are you going to get them to ask us for forgiveness?

They are the ones who are going to have to forgive us.....do you really think that's going to happen?

They haven't done it so far, why is now different?

[Guest]

{{{ You want to do a good work.....shut down those 4 liquor stores in Whiteclay }}}

I do not understand this "solution".

These are tough, smart, proud adult Americans, many of which honorably served in The US Armed Forces.

Treating adults like little children and closing stores will not stop them from drinking or from using any substance they desire!

The guys I served with in The USN could whip a still together in one evening.

This still could daily produce higher proof booze than most stores stock!

All a man needs is copper, fuel, sugar and a good corn crop (or any fruit or vegetable)!

This group of folk could make more liqueur than they could possibly drink And fuel their cars And pick-ups And stoves And still have enough to sell off reservation!

It is Jesus. Jesus, Jesus! Anything else is vanity!

Respect, Love, Fervent Prayer, Support of The Native Missionaries, Respect, Love, Fervent Prayer, Support of the Native Evangelist, Respect ........

[ted]

I have a slight bit of trouble with the concept of asking forgiveness for something I was not a part of.

Perhaps the best I can do is live according to how God wants me to and help out where I can.

t.

[nebula]

Matthew 5

23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,

24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.

26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

[refugepsa91]

As far as I know none of my family (ancestors) had any bitter feelings and expected to be apologized too generations after the event happened...on my moms side...Lakota Sioux...those people were about slaughtered...sad yes...over, yes...can't change it now...my great grandpa's momma married an Irishman and moved here to MI bringing with them her mother and some others I believe My g-grandpa used to say that life is what you make out of what is dealt you....or something to that effect...I was pretty young, and he would repeat this almost every time he seen my grandpa (his son) (my grandpa didn't like to work )

On my dads side I had ancestors die terrible deaths in the Civil war...some were prisoners of war etc...all because they didn't believe in slavery...a few of them are here buried in the local cemertary...

I'm not expecting an apology for the deaths of my ancestors....am I saddened by what happened all those generations ago?...yes I am...

Love and Blessings,

Angel

[kittyjo]

Ted, Fresno Joe, Refugepsa91 and Butero... and a big Amen!

My ancestorial family was not even in the America during slavery or the rounding up of our native American indians... They just wanted to be American to provde better opotunities for their family. So what Backontrack is stating is that I'm responsible and required to feel guilt just because of the color of my skin... If black Americans resent me just because I'm pale in color, is that not discrimination? It is this rationale that keeps the races separate, divided, not united.

False guilt and being PC is what is destroying the common sense in this country. The Black Americans were apologized to, in blood. Blood shed by many thousands of pasty colored, tanned, and brown men who died to make a change. Brother agianst brother, fought just to do the right thing. What about the many Americans who risked their lives and that of their familes to run the underground railroad? There is no greater Love than laying down your life for another, or so God says... So when will it be enough.

The precentage of Americans who owned slaves back then was small, it is equal to the precentage of Americans who can afford to own/maintain their own Leer jet, today. How many of the working stiffs in ths country are living from check to check today? Well, it wasn't much different then either... So why should all 'whites' today feel guilty? "forgive me because I'm white", how silly is that! There is nothing I can do about the past, I can not change it, I did not create it. Live for today!

Refugepsa91, spoke about her wise great-grandpa, who had it right! Life is what you make of it!

Some choose to live in the past, with hate, resentment, vengance and ancestorial hurt in their hearts. They choose to live as victims and look to everyone else to lift them up, to 'pay back' what they feel is owed to them and they suffer in doing so.

While others choose to live as survivors, with adversities and trials making them stronger. Survivors pick up the pieces and move forward, they make the best of what they got and rejoice in it!

I refuse to see Black Americans or our Native American Indians as weak victims, I choose to give them benefit of being strong survivors, where the only limits are those they give themselves. We are all Americans. We are all united by the human condition. We are all children of God.

Instead of focusing on the past and brown, black, olive, pink, tan, peach and white... Lets focus on God, who knows the desires and actions of our hearts. Live for Him and He will sort it all out.

[Guest LadyC]

i'm with those that refuse to apologize for something i had nothing to do with. i don't know if any of my ancestors did or not, (they were poor immigrants too), but if they did, then i'd say that my ancestors owed an apology to the people they harmed.... NOT to the decendants who never met them.

i'm part scotch-irish... or at least my ancestors were. the irish were not treated well in this country either. BUT.... i don't feel like any living person owes me an apology, or reparations, for any cruelty that my great-great-great-grandpappy may have suffered. after all, i myself live in a country that gives me unlimited opportunities. so did my ancestors. fortunately i don't have to fight as hard to take advantage of those opportunities as they did.

reparations and apologies, IMO, were done on a federal level when slavery was abolished, and when all citizens were treated equally under the law, etc.

and on a personal level, well, if anyone offends someone else they should apologize and make ammends. but please, don't anybody tell me they are sorry for how the irish were treated in america a hundred years ago or two, or three, it means nothing to ME. and i won't insult anyone else's intelligence by saying i'm sorry for something that happened a century ago either.

and nobody should expect apologies for something they never experienced, either. we should all count our blessings.