WMD's in Iraq-just a small question

[Ovedya]

Of course they still don't have them. Saddam moved them to Iran.

[forrestkc]

I want yall to think about something, because really this is just common sense at this point.

We have been over that country with a fine toothed comb, yet we have found nothing other than a few useless degraded left overs from the 1980s Iran / Iraq War.

There are a some who make the erroneous claim that Saddam shipped those weapons to Syria just prior to the war. Think about that. We were watching that country with practically every spy satellite at our disposal, if some huge convoy was loading up at weapons dumps and then heading out to Syria, we would have seen it. In fact, if such a thing happened, and we did nothing about it, then thats even worse than going to war on false pretenses.

Just the same, even if it supposedly happened, then why did Syria or Iran not hand those weapons off to a terrorist group like Hesbollah? The answer is simple, they don't have them.

Furthermore, we have been in there for over 4 years now, and witness every day some of the worst murder and carnage imaginable. Now think about it, does anyone honestly believe that some Sunni extremist would strap a bomb to themselves, walk into a crowd of women and children and detonate it, but that same extremist would sit on some Chemical and Biological Weapons.

I mean come guys, the whole thing does not even pass the common sense test anymore. We were wrong about Iraq. Iraq obviously was contained and disarmed. Thus, Iraq obviously did not pose a significant threat to the United States prior to the war.

[ted]

Three independent commissions and President Bush himself has said that we were wrong about Iraq still having WMD stockpiles. I think that pretty much settles it.

Wrong, or that we simply haven't found them?

To me, there's a big difference. I'm not ruling out the possibility that they were there, and then moved. I just don't see the reasoning behind messing with the UN inspectors for years and refusing them access to places on numerous occasions, only to let them in days or weeks later to inspect recently hollowed out warehouses.

Oh, and a MiG is a particular brand of Russian combat jet (not a WMD by any stretch of the imagination), but then, I didn't know that Saddam's Iraq even had an air force. *scratches head*

What you are thinking about is the aircraft that were buried by Saddam prior to both invasions. He tried to protect his "air force" by burying his equipment in the sand around the country, and into Iran. His plan was to later recover them and use them in a counter attack. Now I wonder why anyone would think that Saddam would actually try to hide any WMD's in the same fashion?

But anyway, Kitty, you can be assured that if people are not supposed to talk about certain things, then they won't.

Peace,

t.

[ted]

There are a some who make the erroneous claim that Saddam shipped those weapons to Syria just prior to the war. Think about that. We were watching that country with practically every spy satellite at our disposal, if some huge convoy was loading up at weapons dumps and then heading out to Syria, we would have seen it. In fact, if such a thing happened, and we did nothing about it, then thats even worse than going to war on false pretenses.

Hmm....do you mean to say that you should be privy to such information? Perhaps evidence was seen through satellite imagry, or by ground recon, but that it is better not to let the average Joe see the same evidence?

For whatever the reasoning, there are things out there of which you have no idea about.

t.

[sweetycakes]

Of course he had WMD's (past tense)

We know he had them.

We sold them to him, in a lot of cases.

When Saddam Insane was still considered an ally, during the Iran-Iraq war, and even before that.

Whether he still had them at the time of the 2003 invasion is debatable. But we sold many WMD's to him over the years.

Just like the Iran_Contra affair in the Thatcher years, here in the UK.

There is a lot going on in global politics, which the average man on the street is not privy to.

Smoke and mirrors.....but we won't mention things like this....these things belong to the realm of conspiracy theory....

I don't know you, and you don't know me....ok?

[forrestkc]

There are a some who make the erroneous claim that Saddam shipped those weapons to Syria just prior to the war. Think about that. We were watching that country with practically every spy satellite at our disposal, if some huge convoy was loading up at weapons dumps and then heading out to Syria, we would have seen it. In fact, if such a thing happened, and we did nothing about it, then thats even worse than going to war on false pretenses.

Hmm....do you mean to say that you should be privy to such information? Perhaps evidence was seen through satellite imagry, or by ground recon, but that it is better not to let the average Joe see the same evidence?

For whatever the reasoning, there are things out there of which you have no idea about.

t.

That is the point, there is nothing but speculation here. Unfounded speculation. There is no evidence at all that Iraq had WMD at the time of the invasion or just before. There is no evidence at all that any are still in Iraq. There is no evidence at all that it was moved to Syria or Iran.

There is nothing but unfounded speculation. That really does not even pass the common sense test at this point. I mean come on, if they had them why have they not been used against us? The answer is because they no longer had them.

[Burning_Ember]

Hey, now, I mean, we did find 500 or so buried, forgotton, degraded munitions which would now over the course of however long the U.S. has been in there. According to Sean Hannity that "vindicates" the President...

But in all seriousness, believing that the claims the administration made about Iraq nigh qualifies as willful ignorance in the face of the indisputible fact that basically nothing as described has been found, and the administration itself admits they were wrong about the WMD's.

If there was evidence of WMD's, I'm sure it would have surfaced after years of occupation.

EDIT TO ADD:

Iran and Iraq just had a war around 1990 or, didn't they? Saying that Iraq moved WMD's to Iran to hide them would be like saying to hide it's WMD's the U.S. transported it's nukes to the SOviet Union.

There are a some who make the erroneous claim that Saddam shipped those weapons to Syria just prior to the war. Think about that. We were watching that country with practically every spy satellite at our disposal, if some huge convoy was loading up at weapons dumps and then heading out to Syria, we would have seen it. In fact, if such a thing happened, and we did nothing about it, then thats even worse than going to war on false pretenses.

Hmm....do you mean to say that you should be privy to such information? Perhaps evidence was seen through satellite imagry, or by ground recon, but that it is better not to let the average Joe see the same evidence?

For whatever the reasoning, there are things out there of which you have no idea about.

t.

That is the point, there is nothing but speculation here. Unfounded speculation. There is no evidence at all that Iraq had WMD at the time of the invasion or just before. There is no evidence at all that any are still in Iraq. There is no evidence at all that it was moved to Syria or Iran.

There is nothing but unfounded speculation. That really does not even pass the common sense test at this point. I mean come on, if they had them why have they not been used against us? The answer is because they no longer had them.

Edited January 24, 2007 by Burning_Ember

[Leonard]

An ounce of Serin gas can kill many, many people. So far we have found stockpiles of Serin in Iraq totaling 19 TONS!!!

[Burning_Ember]

An ounce of Serin gas can kill many, many people. So far we have found stockpiles of Serin in Iraq totaling 19 TONS!!!

I'm pretty sure we haven't. Do you have a weblink to that evidence?

[forrestkc]

An ounce of Serin gas can kill many, many people. So far we have found stockpiles of Serin in Iraq totaling 19 TONS!!!

We found an old weapons dump on the Iran / Iraq border, that contained old and degraded useless leftovers from the Iran / Iraq war of the 1980s, that the inspectors knew about anyway.