Eternal Security??

[endure4salvation]

Here is the "priveledged position", told to us by God:

John 10:28..."And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

"Shall never perish" denotes a present and future truth. There is no condition here, other than being a child of God.

I fully agree that John 10"28 has no condition in it.

You need to look at John 10:27 for that.

A hearing and following of Jesus is the condition that is required to meet the promise of John 10:28.

[Guest TomDykes]

yes,

even Peter rejected Jesus, denounced ever having been with Him.......

Peter returned to Christ, and repented of having rejected Him.....

Judas, rejected Christ Jesus also, turned against Him....

but I do not feel that Judas repented and returned, rather, was eaten up with guilt over what he had done, that he could no longer live with the shame and dishonor.... I believe that if Judas had not hung himself, Jesus would have accepted him back as He did Peter and all the others that bailed out on Him..... just as Jesus accepts us back into the fold after we turn away from Him.....

mike

Peter didn

[godrulz]

'Remaining in Him' is a condition of salvation if you believe regeneration follows repentance and faith. If you believe regeneration precedes faith, then it may be viewed as a fruit (as CJW does). Perhaps regeneration is simultaneous with a change in ultimate intention (living for God vs Self). The present tenses (simple or participles) do imply an ongoing abiding/remaining in Christ for assurance of eternal life.

[CWJ]

I don't view regeneration as preceding faith.

Regeneration is after spiritual re-birth, and is the on-going work of Jesus.

Eph 2:10

What do you rely upon to "remain in Him"?

Assurance is given upon meeting only ONE condition, John 3:16.

[CWJ]

If one can "walk away" from salvation with "free will", then they have become "lost", correct?

Being saved means having eternal life, never to suffer the lake of fire.

If one who has , by his free will, walked away from being saved...then....

WHAT WAS HE EVER SAVED FROM?

I ask all of you who believe this "walking away" thing....

ARE YOU SAVED?........because........

BY YOUR TEACHING YOU MAY ALSO BECOME LOST AGAIN, SO IF YOU WIND UP LOST AGAIN, WERE YOU EVER TRULY SAVED?

Or....do you say that one is "saved" upon reaching heaven at death?

Then we will never know until we get there!

Contradicts 1John 5:13...bigtime!

So where is your assurance? What does it come from?

[Guest shiloh357]

This whole idea that one must remain "in Him" to stay saved shows a lack of understanding of how salvation works. One does not get "in Him" by what they do. They do not get "out of Him" by what they do. You are placed in Him by God Himself. This was a work of Grace. You accept that by faith. Your works cannot get you saved, and thus they cannot keep you saved.

If your salvation depends upon your works, then you are your own savior. You have basically become your own Messiah. You are the one saving you and not Christ. You do not need Christ, because according to the theology of those who believe in this works based salvation, Christ does not have the power to keep you. You anti-OSAS should just pray to yourselves because you are more powerful than Jesus. You have the power to do what he cannot do. You have the power to ensure your salvation.

Either you are saved because you are a god and have the power to ensure that, or you are saved by Grace through faith in Christ alone.

[His son]

OSAS believers sharpen up your private interpretation skills, and your addition, subtraction skills on these Scriptures and tell us again how we can not loose our salvation because we of course know that you are much closer to God's Truth than those who wrote these.

Luke 8:13

13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

(KJV)

John 15:5-6

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

(KJV)

Gal 5:4

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

(KJV)

1 Tim 4:1

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(KJV)

1 Tim 6:10

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

(KJV)

2 Pet 2:18-22

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

(KJV)

1 Tim 4:1

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(KJV)

1 Tim 6:10

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

(KJV)

2 Pet 2:18-22

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

(KJV)

[endure4salvation]

Peter didn

[angels4u]

Shiloh:This whole idea that one must remain "in Him" to stay saved shows a lack of understanding of how salvation works. One does not get "in Him" by what they do. They do not get "out of Him" by what they do. You are placed in Him by God Himself. This was a work of Grace. You accept that by faith. Your works cannot get you saved, and thus they cannot keep you saved

WONDERFUL GRACE WONDERFUL GRACE< PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS!!

Angels :a2: :a2: :t3: :music: (ITS LIKE MUSIC IN MY EARS

[CWJ]

This whole idea that one must remain "in Him" to stay saved shows a lack of understanding of how salvation works. One does not get "in Him" by what they do. They do not get "out of Him" by what they do. You are placed in Him by God Himself. This was a work of Grace. You accept that by faith. Your works cannot get you saved, and thus they cannot keep you saved.

If your salvation depends upon your works, then you are your own savior. You have basically become your own Messiah. You are the one saving you and not Christ. You do not need Christ, because according to the theology of those who believe in this works based salvation, Christ does not have the power to keep you. You anti-OSAS should just pray to yourselves because you are more powerful than Jesus. You have the power to do what he cannot do. You have the power to ensure your salvation.

Either you are saved because you are a god and have the power to ensure that, or you are saved by Grace through faith in Christ alone.

AMEN and AMEN