Is Hell ETERNAL?

[endure4salvation]

Amen and Amen endure. I love it, I think this is the best post ever.

Well, thanks.

But I guess my main problem is that I do tend to approach things in an intelligent way at times when I should just accept things more.

Like with all of the debates and whatnot, I don't think that any of you are going to end up missing out on heaven, but there are some that think they are saved, when they are not. That is the point of our discussions from my perspective. To show people that there is a whole lot expected of us as believers. We are to be different and forsake everything we have in order to be a disciple of Christ.

Read this to see what I am takling about...

Luke 14:25-15:1

Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.  And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.  For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it

[Guest dove2]

And Dove if Jesus is a shadow of Christ, and we are to follow Him consider where we would be following Him for three days. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? And by the way Dove I have never ever stated I will be God, nor that any human being will somehow turn into God.

I'm asking you kindly not to make up lies about me to twist things around. Just stick with the truth and we will all be ok. Anyway I'm going to leave for a while and let things calm down, I think it's time for prayer and study. I just really hope that anyone interested is taking the time to look at the original transcripts and consider what it means. I didn't write the Bible and neither did the people who translated it, and if there be wrongs I'm sure God had a very good reason for it that I don't quite understand. And it can not hurt a person who is new here to look into the original writings of the Apostles, or the OT because there in lies the root of the Word.

I specifically asked you in another thread if I had misread what you said about "All being God" and you did not see fit to answer me. You should have acknowledged when I asked "did I read what you said wrongly because I was sure hoping that I did."

Do you even read what someone asks? That is a real problem you have not answering someone when they ask you a point blank question. If they ask you a question and you don't answer them then they think you meant what you said. Ah well, answer at first then you won't have to call a person a liar.

Now if I said that "Jesus is a shadow of Christ," I sure don't know where I said that, but if I did, then I sure let my fingers do the walking and not brain. Jesus is Christ. How can He be a shadow of Christ? Now, I sure don't remember saying this but if I did I was extremely wrong. I didn't call you a liar for saying that I said this. I am merely wondering if my fingers typed wrong somewhere.

You have an agenda of trying to make everyone look at the word "forever." That is good that you are seeking, but you sound like a broken record. Most of us know that the word "forever" doesn't actually mean forever in the sense you want to put it. If you will read in other parts of the Bible and pull scripture together you will see where it restates these same words elsewhere and maybe adds a word or phrase such as "for this generation" meaning the generation of the Mosaic Law.

When you leave for your "prayer and study" start looking at Scriptures that fit together and tells the whole story and not just one scripture with a word such as "forever."

[RGR]

Calamity, Jonah did not think he was in Sheol forever. The original word in the Hebrew is Olam, which means a period of time which is concealed or hidden. So Jonah thought he was in Sheol for a period of time, not forever. The word Olam was mistranslated into the english word forever instead of for a length of time. See we don't have to gloss over a wrong written word, and make up what we think Jonah might have felt like, we can go find out what the real original word is and light is shed into a dark place.

And the show of the change of the priesthood in Hebrews only tells me you know where it is in the NT, now explain it. And then explain why the OT in the english says forever in relation to the priesthood of Aaron, when in fact it was not ever going to be forever per Gods plan. Now we could say well the Levites probably thought it was going to be forever, or we can look up the original word that was there before the translation in english came about and low and behold it never said forever, but it did say olam.

And please explain how we are going to die in an eternal fire.

And Dove if Jesus is a shadow of Christ, and we are to follow Him consider where we would be following Him for three days. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? And by the way Dove I have never ever stated I will be God, nor that any human being will somehow turn into God. I am only just another member in the Body of Chirst. A bunch of dirt that some heavenly water was dumped on to make clay and now reside in the hands of the potter. I didn't create my dirt nor do I take any credit for the dirt I am because that would be silly. I'm asking you kindly not to make up lies about me to twist things around. Just stick with the truth and we will all be ok. Anyway I'm going to leave for a while and let things calm down, I think it's time for prayer and study. I just really hope that anyone interested is taking the time to look at the original transcripts and consider what it means. I didn't write the Bible and neither did the people who translated it, and if there be wrongs I'm sure God had a very good reason for it that I don't quite understand. And it can not hurt a person who is new here to look into the original writings of the Apostles, or the OT because there in lies the root of the Word.

In Yeshua's never ending mercies and love

Teri

:x: :bright:

[RGR]

There are also some, such as the old Herbert W. Armstrong founded Worldwide Church of God, who believe that people simply burn up in Hell and are no more. I don't, of course, buy that. What effective punishment is Hell if all you're going to do is burn up? Armstrong's claim was that a spirit couldn't burn, so how could someone burn eternally? It goes without saying that he overlooked the new body that all people will be given!

[other one]

It has been a long time since I was within the organization (not calling it a church) but I believe that the World Wide Church of God (H. Armstrong) taught that the eternal fire was not time driven, but from where the fire came from. The smoke of their torment rose forever was meant that it was final and over as they were totally destroyed. As I am no longer within that organization I'd have to say I personally can't buy into it, but the words could be stretched to cover the thought. He had one of his little books to cover it, and at the time it all made perfect sense.

A lot of what he wrote made a lot of sense but in the end as with so many organizations they were headed in the wrong direction. It was easy to get caught up in his group.

But even at total destruction there would be no returning, just no eternal suffering.

I have not given it that much thought for many years, for I really didn't choose Jesus as a fire insurance policy, I really do want to be with Him and the Father for I think they will be, simply the best company ever. I won't mind doing whatever He asks me to do, and anyway, being God would be way to much stress for this old soul. I've really gotten spoiled with Him carrying the load. Some teach that we must fear God, but I must say that in trusting him I really don't fear him that much any more. He has the right to do with me as he pleases since he made me, and there is little I can do about it. So, I love Him, He must love me or he wouldn't have sent Jesus here in the first place, so what's to worry about.

That seems so simplistic it's scary, but it is really what I believe.

[RGR]

You are correct-Armstrong could always make something stretch to fit! He had some way of showing how that Lazarus and the rich man was future tense and if one didn't know better, he was almost believable. In semi-recent research, I found that appearingly he copied much of the 7th Day Adventist literature word for word-plagarization!

[Guest Calamity]

I know one thing - false teaching is running rampant, and getting worse.

[other one]

I don't know much of anything about the 7th day folks. It and the JW's are two of the few I didn't go to while looking for the New Testament Church during the 70's and 80's. Yes, I really did look for the true chruch for 20 years.

It seemed that I was just not allowed to even go to either of those organizaions, but I did visit - join in many many others.

The mormans scared me half to death when I got inside their teaching, and I don't think I really understood the Roman Catholic teachings, they just didn't seem right at the time. I have some very good friends who attend that faith, and are really good people (sold out to Jesus). I just really never understood where Mary and all the Saints came in to be so important. Also it botherd me that everywhere I looked Jesus was on the cross. I really don't need that reminder my whole life..... it's depressing, and depressed people can't function to help others.

The other churches it seems teach parts of the Bible and very few all of it. Some of the differences in some demoninations seem to be simply what verses they want to stress.

Anyway I'm rambling so I'll shut up.

I have not been aware of this site for very long, but I must say that it is a real pleasure to read you all.

I hope you will forgive my typing skills and a few misspelled words.

[RGR]

I know one thing - false teaching is running rampant, and getting worse.

Yes, Calamity, you're right. However, remember the words of Jesus:

Mt 24:24 For there will arise FALSE Christs, and FALSE prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

[Guest dove2]

Yes, and sound doctrine. I've read some wild things on the internet, that some people are teaching, and they are way off mark. Do you know of anything else similar to this here, about being released from the fire after being cleansed?

Calamity have you any more scriptures that no one will escape the 'Lake of Fire" after being put there?

You are right about needing sound doctrine along with prayer.

Hey RGR! How are you doing? I haven't seen you around in a while. Must have been in different threads. What do you know about the false teaching that all people will be saved and that the Lake of fire is just for purifying?