Feminism is anti-Christ

[Emily~Anne]

By obeying my husband I am obeying God. I trust God 100%.

You must be very young.

A husband does not automatically become the same as God. He is still human. He will make mistakes. He will mislead you. If he does and you obey him then you, not he, is responsible for what you do that is wrong. You are ultimately responsible for your actions whether good or bad. Your husband is responsible for his actions whether right or wrong; he is not responsible for your actions.

There is an OT verse somewhere that says we are not to trust the

[firehill]

You should note that Deuteronomy 28:13 and 28:43-48 are about a different type of metaphor. Remember that kephale

[Emily~Anne]

...I was not close to God at the time, but knew in my heart if I did not abort this baby that God created within me, that God would see me thorugh this...

Glad to hear that you are in a better relationship.

You see though you just revealed where the seat of the will and mind is. It's in the heart not the head.

Huh????? I did not trust this decision based on what is in my heart, I trusted God. God is the ultimate authority. You feminists make no sense!

[Openly Curious]

'Emily Anne'

Huh????? I did not trust this decision based on what is in my heart, I trusted God. God is the ultimate authority. You feminists make no sense!

OC

[firehill]

...I was not close to God at the time, but knew in my heart if I did not abort this baby that God created within me, that God would see me thorugh this...

Glad to hear that you are in a better relationship.

You see though you just revealed where the seat of the will and mind is. It's in the heart not the head.

Huh????? I did not trust this decision based on what is in my heart, I trusted God. God is the ultimate authority. You feminists make no sense!

We could begin with this verse.

Matthew 15:18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a person. 15:19 For out of the heart come evil ideas, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 15:20 These are the things that defile a person; it is not eating with unwashed hands that defiles a person.

[Emily~Anne]

...I was not close to God at the time, but knew in my heart if I did not abort this baby that God created within me, that God would see me thorugh this...

Glad to hear that you are in a better relationship.

You see though you just revealed where the seat of the will and mind is. It's in the heart not the head.

Huh????? I did not trust this decision based on what is in my heart, I trusted God. God is the ultimate authority. You feminists make no sense!

We could begin with this verse.

Matthew 15:18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a person. 15:19 For out of the heart come evil ideas, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 15:20 These are the things that defile a person; it is not eating with unwashed hands that defiles a person.

[OopsMartin]

Ephesians 5:21 "Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God." That is exactly what it says and what it means, within the chain of authority God set up. It cannot mean that everyone is of equal authority or there would be chaos. Imagine the Pastor for instance deciding he wanted to begin an evangelistic outreach, and as the authority in the church began to assign jobs, along with job descriptions. Then you had a layman in the church tell the pastor that he didn't agree with the ministry, and wanted the pastor to submit to his will and scrap it and do a completely differen't type of outreach. If this means we are literally equal and submitting to each other on an equal basis, each person would be eqully right in expecting submission. Obviously, that is not the case.

But there is no mention of any chain of authority in the whole of Ephe. 5. What you are doing is eisigesis. You are reading into Scripture something not inherent in the passages you are reading. Start at verse 1 and read through verse 21. Do you see anything about chain of authority, chain of command, etc. NO! You don't.

The only reason that you add that in is because you cannot conceive of any other kind of relationship involving submission. You are just the type of man that Paul was trying to reveal a more compassionate, attentive, supportive, and humble way of relating to others. Paul had a very difficult task set before him. In that era the average free man was so privileged that it was difficult for them to see outside of the box of preeminance of self.

"Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God's service when it is violating all His laws." --John Adams

Edited May 19, 2007 by OopsMartin

[Emily~Anne]

You know the term 'selective hearing'? It makes me think of certain people on this thread who are very blatantly ignoring so much scripture that is so clear a kindergartener could understand it. They try so hard to find something they can twist, and then they run with it, leaving the rest behind.

[OopsMartin]

You know the term 'selective hearing'? It makes me think of certain people on this thread who are very blatantly ignoring so much scripture that is so clear a kindergartener could understand it. They try so hard to find something they can twist, and then they run with it, leaving the rest behind.

I agree with you Emily. Most people have some form of selective hearing.

We attach meanings to words based on our experiences. This is why the word game is so revealing, where one person says a word and the other says the next word that comes into their thinking. We also have certain cultural influences that we carry with us attached to certain words and concepts, that can be very difficult to change. And depending how and where we came to know Christ as our Lord and Savior most Christians have certain denominational religious errors that we may carry with us for the rest of our lives.

Real communication is not an easy task.

[Vickilynn]

By obeying my husband I am obeying God. I trust God 100%.

You must be very young.

Shalom Martin,

I hope you did not mean this as condescending as it came across.

Age has nothing to do with trusting G-d!

I am not young in age nor in my walk with the L-rd and I agree with Emily Anne's post 100%.

We are to obey our husbands BECAUSE when we do we are obeying G-d. G-d's design is for wives to obey and submit to our husbands and we are to TRUST that G-d will lead our husbands. No, they are not G-d, but the Scriptures say they are accountable to Jesus, their Head. And we must trust that G-d will teach them and mature them and lead them to be the leaders He has called them to be.

We are not to look at our husbands' failings and justify our disobedience based on the fact they are not perfect. For by doing this, we are distrusting and disobeying G-d to be G-d in their lives.

G-d has ORDAINED the husband to be the authority over the wife and home. If we do not submit to that authority, we are being disobedient to G-d Himself.