Tolerating Gays

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Ritchie,

What makes a person rightious is by accepting Gods Grace. By accepting what christ did for us.

Amen.

Now if you Love Him, you should obey Him and allow His Law which has been fulfilled in Him to be a Righteousness unto life for you.

That is what that scripture was stating. That those who practice that which is contrary to the Law make the Law to none effect because they do not adhere to sound Doctrine.

Scripture states this;

Ps

[Smalcald]

I would first like to say I am a christian who has acceppted that I am gay. I knew I was gay before I knew what gay was (if that makes sence). I am proud to say I am a virgin, I have never taken illegal drugs (Only meds given by doctor), and I have never touched alchaol. WOW that just flushes what Pat Robertson , James Dobson, and the christian right says about gays ,down the toilet. I am not the only open homosexual who lives like I do. I am not the only gay person with a sence of some morallity. One day I may be with a man. But, I am a strong believer that GLBT people should go by sex and marriage the way straights should go. Being married(or equivolent) , committedm, monogamous, loveing, honest, equel, and bringing no harm or sexual exploitation to either person in the relationship.

There is no GAY LIFESTYLE. I hate that term. Many view the gay lifestyle as SEX CRAZED, druggies, alchoholics, and mollest little children. There are straight people who are sex crazed, drug addics, alcholoics and molest children. These are horrible things. I am gay and these things are not a part of my life. When we hear of straight people doing these why dont we say people need to leave the straight lifestyle. OR OH MY Goodness!!! there is a man and woman holding hands. RUN!!!! HIDE# THE KIDS!!! what I am trying to say is," ONES SEXUAL ORIENTATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ONES BEHAVIOR." I am living proof of that.

We christians interperate the bible differently. I hope we can all agree with that. Even though we cannot all agree that being gay is not a sin. I hope we can all agree that we need to come together extending Gods love to every one.

God Bless ,NOT JUST AMERICA, but every one.

Grace and peace to you Ritchie, do you find it odd that here you are a virgin leading a life of sexual purity, and yet you have to still take questions from people who have had sex outside of marriage and who are divorced? Having a particular type of temptation is not a sin what we do with that temptation is the sin.

This is the problem in my opinion. Probably you will have to wrestle with these temptations throughout your life, but just because you may be emotionally attracted to a man does not mean you are fornicating with that person, which seems to be everybody

[Axxman]

Grace and peace to you Ritchie, do you find it odd that here you are a virgin leading a life of sexual purity, and yet you have to still take questions from people who have had sex outside of marriage and who are divorced? Having a particular type of temptation is not a sin what we do with that temptation is the sin.

This is the problem in my opinion. Probably you will have to wrestle with these temptations throughout your life, but just because you may be emotionally attracted to a man does not mean you are fornicating with that person, which seems to be everybody

[Smalcald]

Hi axman,

I was not trying to judge you in the least and you certainly don't have to tell me anything about yourself as a saved child of Christ you owe me nothing in the way of your personal life.

My point was more just that indeed I disagree with this young man's take on homosexuality being okay. But he is a virgin; he has not sinned in this one particular area, which is a very hard thing. Having a homosexual temptation is not sin, just as having a temptation to cheat on your wife is not sin, it becomes sin when we accept the thought and enjoy it and act upon it. We are never promised freedom from temptation.

I just do not want to discourage young people like yourself and this young man who both chose to follow God's word and not have sex outside of marriage that was my main point to the poster and also to yourself.

[eric]

Hi Hupo. in reply,

So what you are saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that a homosexual that repents is different than a homosexual who disregards God's word

Absolutely, if his repentance is genuine.

I don't see why you had to lay an egg over what I said. I'm sorry for whatever pushed your button. I would be thankful if you could clarify that for me so I won't repeat it.

No buttons pushed, brother, I am just trying to differentiate between the immorality of those who flagrantly flaunt their unnatural sexual lifestyle and through the media and even some churches are insinuating that there isnothing sinful in their activities.

I understand the anxiety you must face, having two family members involved in this mess, but at least they have someone they can turn to get ministerd to.

I don't even think we see things differently, but you didn't seem to like my question so again, I am sorry if I offended you.

As for "slave to sin", I was just quoting you

Thanks and blessings

Nope I wasn't offended and believe we are more or less on the same wavelength. I only wish I had the gift of explaing my thoughts like that of Matthitjah, but I am, unfortunately a bit given to be outspoken, so I will put this subject to bed for my part.

Thanks for your input

e

[artsylady]

Hi Ritchie:

There is a really long and in-depth thread about born-gay studies which also delves into scripture. I will bump it up if you want to read it. It's under apologetics.

[hupo]

Hi Hupo. in reply,

So what you are saying (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that a homosexual that repents is different than a homosexual who disregards God's word

Absolutely, if his repentance is genuine.

I don't see why you had to lay an egg over what I said. I'm sorry for whatever pushed your button. I would be thankful if you could clarify that for me so I won't repeat it.

No buttons pushed, brother, I am just trying to differentiate between the immorality of those who flagrantly flaunt their unnatural sexual lifestyle and through the media and even some churches are insinuating that there isnothing sinful in their activities.

I understand the anxiety you must face, having two family members involved in this mess, but at least they have someone they can turn to get ministerd to.

I don't even think we see things differently, but you didn't seem to like my question so again, I am sorry if I offended you.

As for "slave to sin", I was just quoting you

Thanks and blessings

Nope I wasn't offended and believe we are more or less on the same wavelength. I only wish I had the gift of explaing my thoughts like that of Matthitjah, but I am, unfortunately a bit given to be outspoken, so I will put this subject to bed for my part.

Thanks for your input

e

Blessings

[Zceiv]

Im sure Sodom and Gomorrah tolerated gays

[ritchiedotson]

Would you state that practicing open and unrepentant rebellion against God and His Word fulfilled in Christ in the act of Homosexuality is to obey God?

Peace,

Dave

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I am not sure what ur asking. I am a bit slow.

All I can say is that I Study the bible and pray for the holy spirit to lead me. I do not believe the bible condems LOVEING, Life Time Committted , monagomaus same sex relationships. I read the passages and look at them clostly, I also look at the history of the time when they were written to see what was going on in that time. I am a HUGE believer in finding out the correct meanings of the original greek. I also believe that if the old testimate laws are not found in the new testimate that they do not apply to us today.

I have to live my life the way I believe the bible tells me. I cant go on others interpertation of scripture. I have to live by MY interpertation of scripture. If I studyed and prayed and came to the conclusion that homosexuality is sin. THEN I would have to repent.

I pray for those who say being gay and christian is a oxymoron. Because they do not know the relationship I have with christ.

AND to the sodom and gomorrah comment. LOOK at the wway it was written. These were people who RAPED and were sex crazed. There was a new testimate scripture that talks of the SINS of sodom and gomorrah. In this time gay people never were in lasting . monogamous relationships. SAME SEX ACTIVITY was only known to be as orgies and in most places pedastry was tollerated, and to himulate and demean some one.

Edited July 31, 2007 by ritchiedotson

[hupo]

I also believe that if the old testimate laws are not found in the new testimate that they do not apply to us today.

This part of your post caught my eye for some reason.....

Yeshua said He didn't come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it.

When we are saved we are free from the Law.

This does not mean that we can now kill, steal and conduct an adultrous life.

It means we are not under the death penelty for sin.

We all sin and yet have eternal life through being redeemed by the amazing sacrifice of Yeshua's life.

The law applies to anyone who is under the law, that is, anyone who is NOT saved.

IMHO

Blessings