Poll for atheists if you don't mind

[artsylady]

Just wondering if you can answer some questions for me.

Do you debate on the boards of other religions like Hinduism, Islam or Buddhism?

If yes, which ones and what percentage of time do you spend in debate with other religions as compared to debates with Christians?

Example: 60% Christianity, 20 Percent Buddhism, 20 percent Islam.

Thank you for your participation.

[kari21]

Just wondering if you can answer some questions for me.

Do you debate on the boards of other religions like Hinduism, Islam or Buddhism?

If yes, which ones and what percentage of time do you spend in debate with other religions as compared to debates with Christians?

Example: 60% Christianity, 20 Percent Buddhism, 20 percent Islam.

Thank you for your participation.

Hmmmm...it seems that they've shied away from this one, artsylady!

In my experience, atheists tend to attack Christianity a lot more than any other religion that believes in a god. And I have come to believe that whatever Satan tries to destroy the most, that's where the truth is...

[Joshua-777]

Just wondering if you can answer some questions for me.

Do you debate on the boards of other religions like Hinduism, Islam or Buddhism?

If yes, which ones and what percentage of time do you spend in debate with other religions as compared to debates with Christians?

Example: 60% Christianity, 20 Percent Buddhism, 20 percent Islam.

Thank you for your participation.

Hmmmm...it seems that they've shied away from this one, artsylady!

In my experience, atheists tend to attack Christianity a lot more than any other religion that believes in a god. And I have come to believe that whatever Satan tries to destroy the most, that's where the truth is...

Exactly!

[secondeve]

It's a good question. Personally, I don't debate on any other boards bar this one. Kari is, I think, being a little harsh - it's not that we want to tear down Christianity above all other religions; it's simply that, as we live in the west, no other religion is as prevalent in our lives, nor as relevant to our politics, particularly if we disagree with it, and subsequently, it would make not nearly as much sense for us to go and rail against something which has comparatively little impact on our day-to-day lives.

Put another way: when conservative Australian politicians vote down stem cell research (for instance), Islam doesn't enter into their thoughts. Christianity and Christian teachings do; and these same teachings also impact on a large portion of the voting populace. Ergo, if I want to understand those politicians and that part of the population, it makes no sense for me to study Islam, or to look for the underpinnings of their beliefs in Shinto. So I come to a Christian messageboard. See?

[artsylady]

"It's a good question. Personally, I don't debate on any other boards bar this one. "

Thanks Second Eve:

"Kari is, I think, being a little harsh - it's not that we want to tear down Christianity above all other religions; it's simply that, as we live in the west, no other religion is as prevalent in our lives, nor as relevant to our politics, particularly if we disagree with it, and subsequently, it would make not nearly as much sense for us to go and rail against something which has comparatively little impact on our day-to-day lives."

I would think with Islam quickly infiltrating the west and bringing with it male dominated laws, like having to cover their heads, men being allowed mutiple wives and female genital mutilation (and this DOES happen in the west) - not to mention terrorism, I would think atheists would be more inclined to debate against this religion.

"Put another way: when conservative Australian politicians vote down stem cell research (for instance), Islam doesn't enter into their thoughts. Christianity and Christian teachings do; and these same teachings also impact on a large portion of the voting populace. Ergo, if I want to understand those politicians and that part of the population, it makes no sense for me to study Islam, or to look for the underpinnings of their beliefs in Shinto. So I come to a Christian messageboard. See?"

I do happen to agree with Kari that there is one truth and satan works on atheists against this one truth.

[KeilanS]

Secondeve brings up some good points, naturally they'll argue against the religion dominant in the area.

What I would like to do is go an majority-islam country or a country where islam and Christianity are on equal footing and see which one is argued the most there. Then again, most majority-Islam countries don't exactly tolerate debate against Islam (as far as I know).

[secondeve]

"It's a good question. Personally, I don't debate on any other boards bar this one. "

Thanks Second Eve:

"Kari is, I think, being a little harsh - it's not that we want to tear down Christianity above all other religions; it's simply that, as we live in the west, no other religion is as prevalent in our lives, nor as relevant to our politics, particularly if we disagree with it, and subsequently, it would make not nearly as much sense for us to go and rail against something which has comparatively little impact on our day-to-day lives."

I would think with Islam quickly infiltrating the west and bringing with it male dominated laws, like having to cover their heads, men being allowed mutiple wives and female genital mutilation (and this DOES happen in the west) - not to mention terrorism, I would think atheists would be more inclined to debate against this religion.

From an atheistic perspective, male dominated laws are a Christian tradition as well as an Islamic one. As for those other points, yes, I agree that these are things which pretty much all atheists disagree with, too, but unlike Christians (or at least, Christians I've encountered on Worthy, as not a single Christian I've met face to face has had the same views) we don't think there's a chance in hell that shari'a or any such related laws would ever come into effect in England, America or Australia. The difference here is one of something mainstream and prevalent with which we disagree (Christianity) vs something more a minority in our countries - especially politically - with which we disagree (Islam).

[damo1]

from damo1

hear in my country as i am from australia we also wil not alow sharia law to come into affect and on stem cell reaserch alone a lot of christian polaticans voted against this being passed threw parliment yet when ever the christians that are active with in parliment put there say across the floor they do not get heard as the secular polaticans do

let me tell you one thing hear in my country alone our goverment is keeping a close eye on the muslems as with what has hapend so far around the world we do not want this hapening hear even though we now one day somethig like what hapend in america on september the 11th wil happen hear in australia

i am in the midle of applying for my security clearnance so i can reach out to those in jail as i have a friend who is inside for murder and my friend told me that the muslems are preaching ji had holy war against infidels that even means non belivers and just like you stated wear men dominate over women this happen also in my partners country my partner has viseted other countrys and with in dress code she has had to respect those laws wear women have to cover them selves

se al muslems have been told that we are infidels and that for them to get to heaven we are seen as the enemy

i have had muslems tell me this them selves

this has also been tried hear wear muslems wear wanting this hear but we said no as we wil not alow our women to put up with this rubbish wear they have to cover them selves

and they wear told to respect our laws as this is a country that has not experianced what most country have we belive in freedom of worship wear people are alowed to worship freely with in respect to other religons

i also have atheist friends my self which means i have not cut my self fully from them but they respect that this is wear i am they respect me for being a christian and have seen the changes with in me and sevral are looking at what has happend in my life and are comming around to know wear they are asking me questions and i had one freind who gave his heart to the lord and is now very active with in the church

i can see what you are saying hear artsylady and as sevral said most wil attack christianity and what we hold on to others have tried the same survey as you and most have said most wil not speak up but wil come on a christian forum and almost try to attack what we belive in

i hope you get what you are asking hear on this thred alone

have a nice week from damo1

[thesorgo]

Like secondeve, I also don't debate on any other site unless you count the pastafarian one, but thats purely for fun. This is because only christians came onto the pastafarian site to curse us, insult us, damn us to hell, ect. So you see, I thought it would be rude to go onto other religious forums but since christians invited themselves in to my home forum, I thought it was socially exceptable for me to invite myself into one of their's.

[artsylady]

"From an atheistic perspective, male dominated laws are a Christian tradition as well as an Islamic one. "

I had a feeling this would be brought up when I mentioned the Islamic laws. As a Christian, and a woman, I don't agree that the laws are male dominated. I do beleive that in the heirarchy of a family, the man is the head and I don't mind this at all. There HAS to be a heirarchy - even in business courses these days, they tell you not to go into a 50.50 parnership - 51/49 is much better. In a Christian marriage, when two people can't come to an agreement, the husband would have the final say. He's to seek out God's wisdom. The husband's burden is heavier and he's judged by God mre harshly as one in the position of spiritual leader.

In a nonChristian marriage, when the husband and wife are at a major crux and can't agree, they divorce. Probably one reason why divorce is so high here.

In any case, the laws that control women are downright evil - like female genital mutiliation. That is pretty serious stuff. And beating wives is okay according to the koran. Huge differences and these are certainly against human rights.

"As for those other points, yes, I agree that these are things which pretty much all atheists disagree with, too, but unlike Christians (or at least, Christians I've encountered on Worthy, as not a single Christian I've met face to face has had the same views) we don't think there's a chance in hell that shari'a or any such related laws would ever come into effect in England, America or Australia. "

I sure hope not. The fact remains though that this religion is obviously harmful and I'd encourage you to debate over there on those boards too.

"The difference here is one of something mainstream and prevalent with which we disagree (Christianity) vs something more a minority in our countries - especially politically - with which we disagree (Islam)."

Our laws in Canada are changing rather rapidly to accommodate other religious 'freedoms'. Just a few days ago, it was ruled that islamic women were allowed to vote without having to show their veiled faces.