Question for all you Christians

[EricH]

So, yes, the body was missing. I never said it wasn't. Just because a body was no longer in a tomb does not mean that it was re-animated and walked out. I think a better point to put emphasis on would be the fact that the large stone had been rolled away; it would have taken several fully grown men to move the thing. It takes just one person to move a body.

And, I quote from BibleGateway.com:

"The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20."

The Westminster Study Edition of the Holy Bible (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1948).

"vv. 9-20. This section is a later addition; the original ending of Mark appears to have been lost. The best and oldest manuscripts of Mark end with ch. 16:8. Two endings were added very early. The shorter reads: "But they reported briefly to those with Peter all that had been commanded them. And afterward Jesus himself sent out through them from the East even to the West the sacred and incorruptible message of eternal salvation." The longer addition appears in English Bibles; its origin is uncertain; a medieval source ascribes it to an elder Ariston (Aristion), perhaps the man whom Papias (c. A.D. 135) calls a disciple of the Lord. It is drawn for the most part from Luke, chapter 24, and from John, chapter 20; there is a possibility that verse 15 may come from Matthew 28:18-20. It is believed that the original ending must have contained an account of the risen Christ's meeting with the disciples in Galilee (chs. 14:28; 16:7)."

It has been generally accpeted that Mark originally ended at 16:8. 16:9-20 were probably added during the Medieval era. I kid you not.

Even if that were the case there are several other scriptures that are accepted as part of the original text that indicate there were over 500 witnesses to HIs resurrection. What do you do with those?

[Grungekid]

With regards to the resurrection, do you believe that Christ was resurrected in the flesh or merely in spirit? And why, please?

I've seen other Christians go either way, I'm wondering what you guys think.

I believe that He was ressurected in both spirirt and body, because of the account of Thomas putting his fingers in Christ's wounds, and the rest of the apostle's having beheld a very corporeal form.

[nebula]

I wasn't even trying to deny the resurrection, I just wanted to see if anyone at all was open to the suggestion that Jesus didn't rise in the flesh, but purely in spirit. That he appeared to Mary and Mary, and the eleven apostles in visions and not in a body. I failed miserabely as you can easily bear witness.

This is what you titled this thread:

"Question for all you Christians, I'm not trying to prove anything; just curious."

We answered accordingly.

[nebula]

Oh really?

At no point does Paul mention a dead body walking, a re-animated corpse etc.., or anything of the sort.

Umm . . . what you just described would be called a zombie.

If Jesus could raise Lazerus from the dead in body after he was dead for 4 days, why cannot He have been resurrected in body after being dead for only three days?

1 Corinthians 15:44-46, "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual."

And I'm pretty sure I'm not taking this out of context either.. Not 100% sure.

When Jesus was resurrected, His body was transformed, but it was His body. In the Scriptures presented before, He said He was "flesh and bone" but not "flesh and blood." That means something.

A spirit is not a resurrected being.

[Leonard]

I have gathered what spirit you are of. You may go now.....

[MorningGlory]

From the outside I can see that there are fewer differences between Islam and Christianity then you would like to believe, I'm sure.

You must be looking at the two through a brick wall while wearing a blindfold then, my friend.

[Guest Greg Davies]

So what does Ehrenkreuz mean?

its a Medal of Honor in Germany, if I remember correctly.

You do remember correctly. Handed out during the Nazi era of Third Reich to citizens who displayed great courage/contributed strongly to the war effort.

Oh yes, the Iron Cross! So you are identifying yourself with one of the highest honors that the Nazis awarded. The Nazis, who exterminated the Jews, persecuted Christians, subscribed to the pagan philosophies of the Aryian cultures; what's up with that?

[ColleenLovesMischief]

So, yes, the body was missing. I never said it wasn't. Just because a body was no longer in a tomb does not mean that it was re-animated and walked out. I think a better point to put emphasis on would be the fact that the large stone had been rolled away; it would have taken several fully grown men to move the thing. It takes just one person to move a body.

And, I quote from BibleGateway.com:

"The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20."

The Westminster Study Edition of the Holy Bible (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1948).

"vv. 9-20. This section is a later addition; the original ending of Mark appears to have been lost. The best and oldest manuscripts of Mark end with ch. 16:8. Two endings were added very early. The shorter reads: "But they reported briefly to those with Peter all that had been commanded them. And afterward Jesus himself sent out through them from the East even to the West the sacred and incorruptible message of eternal salvation." The longer addition appears in English Bibles; its origin is uncertain; a medieval source ascribes it to an elder Ariston (Aristion), perhaps the man whom Papias (c. A.D. 135) calls a disciple of the Lord. It is drawn for the most part from Luke, chapter 24, and from John, chapter 20; there is a possibility that verse 15 may come from Matthew 28:18-20. It is believed that the original ending must have contained an account of the risen Christ's meeting with the disciples in Galilee (chs. 14:28; 16:7)."

It has been generally accpeted that Mark originally ended at 16:8. 16:9-20 were probably added during the Medieval era. I kid you not.

Even if that were the case there are several other scriptures that are accepted as part of the original text that indicate there were over 500 witnesses to HIs resurrection. What do you do with those?

That stone wasn't rolled away so Jesus could walk out....it was moved so people could get in to see and believe!

[Carol R]

Hi this is one of the scriptures that makes me realise Jesus was in the flesh.

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. KJV

and this one too

Luk 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having.

Hope this helps you.

[Scarletprayers]

So what does Ehrenkreuz mean?

its a Medal of Honor in Germany, if I remember correctly.

You do remember correctly. Handed out during the Nazi era of Third Reich to citizens who displayed great courage/contributed strongly to the war effort.

Oh yes, the Iron Cross! So you are identifying yourself with one of the highest honors that the Nazis awarded. The Nazis, who exterminated the Jews, persecuted Christians, subscribed to the pagan philosophies of the Aryian cultures; what's up with that?

Is anybody besides Greg and I getting this???????????