Some questions about the Passion

[mobile21]

interestingly enough, the film indicated a very obvious (to me) denial that mary, mother of Christ, was to be worshipped or elevated to a level of diety. i find this interesting because of the Catholic perspective, and because mel gibson is catholic. how did it do this? in His response to mary from the cross. "Woman, behold, your Son" (note the capitalized Son).... "Son, behold, your mother" (note the lowercase spelling of mother). when those words came across the screen, it stood out like a beacon. if the film had been in english, without subtitles, that distinction would not have come across.

1) Mel Gibson is NOT a catholic, he's a lefebvrist and, therefore, a heretic.

2) Mary a "deity"?

Mary worshipped?

I've defeated that nonsense so many times since I came here that there's really no need to seriously debate it anymore

[nebula]

Does the movie appear to link Jesus' suffering to HIS MOTHER in a way that portrays her as being a co-sufferer with HIM? Does it appear that HE is drawing STRENGTH from HER by eye contact at crucial times during the movie? Does she cry out at the end of the crucifixion, "Flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone, I want to die with you"?

I just thought of this picture with this question.

http://www.inspired-art.com/gallery/myson.htm

(I'd past it directly on here, but since the picture is copyrighted, I don't know if that would be legal. But please check it out!)

[whatsitmean]

1) Mel Gibson is NOT a catholic, he's a lefebvrist and, therefore, a heretic.

lefebvrist - does that mean he is opposed to the ecumenism of the Pope?

"Flesh of my flesh, bone of my bone, I want to die with you"?

What I thought of in regards to that statement was about Adam and Eve.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh:

Then when he later ate the fruit from her hand, he could have been saying in a sense, "I want to die with you".

[whatsitmean]

I had never heard of Longinus either until recently. I had only seen brief references to the spear in different articles. There happen to be three possible locations where it is said to be kept to this day. I certainly don

[whatsitmean]

How did she get the name "Therese of the Child Jesus and the Holy Face"?

Following the biblical tradition, when people entered religious life, they took a new name to signify their new call from God. When she entered the Carmelite Monastery to give her life to God, Marie Francoise Therese Martin took the religious name "Therese of the Child Jesus and the Holy Face." Therese had great devotion to the Infant Jesus, and her spirituality was a childlike simplicity and trust in God's love. In Lisieux, the Carmelite Monastery had a great devotion to the suffering Holy Face of Jesus that was reflected on the veil of Veronica. This included an outdoor shrine in the cloister garden. Because Therese was constantly looking to see the hidden Holy Face of Jesus in everyone and everything, Therese took that second part of her religious name. She explained: "I desire that, like the Face of Jesus, my face be truly hidden that no one on earth would know me. I thirsted after suffering and I longed to be forgotten." Her religious name, Sr. Therese of the Child Jesus and Holy Face, therefore came to signify what she was about and how God's grace was working in her.

[Catsmeow]

I just watched an official review by 3 leading columnists on the History Channel.

They showed snipits of the movie and gave commentary and interpretation. Two of the "reviewers" claimed to be Christians. One of them most clearly wasn't a believer..but a phoney, (he didn't believe in the bible..that told me all I needed to know about him).

Then Joel Siegel, a professing Jew, was astounded with them . He marveled at their reviews, which were "mixed"...they liked the use of Aramaic and Latin in the movie...thought it added to the movie but didn't like the bible being taken so literally. (Go figure).

The Jewish reviewer, on the other hand, said, "You guys are supposed to be Christians and you say these things?!" He was absolutely blown away that anyone who claimed to be a believer would make some of the remarks they did.

The movie made a very powerful impression on this Jewish reviewer, almost as if he'd gone away from the film wondering, "Maybe he is the Messiah...just maybe.."

I sensed him actually wondering..."Could it be?"

[whatsitmean]

Mel Gibson said in an interview that this book was part of his inspiration to write the script for the movie.

See page 100 and compare it to the above quote from the Satan figure in the garden:

But Satan, who was enthroned amid all these horrors, and even filled with diabolical joy at the sight of them, let loose his fury against Jesus, and displayed before the eyes of his soul increasingly awful visions, at the same time addressing his adorable humanity in words such as these:

[other one]

whatsitmean, are you telling us that we should not go see this movie because it will introduce heresy into our Christian beliefs?

[Catsmeow]

The more controversy I hear, the more I want to see it...so to decide for myself. So, I guess that settles it...I'll go.

[Work in Progress]

You have totally understood the doctrine of grace wrong and that