if a person be the believer just the moment before he die

[Guest]

and he do not have any experience of faith travel

YES

It's Not The Distance Traveled

It's The One You Meet At The End Of The Trip.

BELIEF

The Name

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 20:31

The Offer

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:28

The Way

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

The Gift

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Good Question Dear Sister

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Smalcald]

and he do not have any experience of faith travel

Yes.

[kari21]

You can't put a limit on God's grace. He can save one on their deathbed, in the last seconds of their life, as easy as he can a child. Remember...it's not about anything we've done or can do...it's all about what Christ has done.

But, for those who believe they're gonna live a life of sin, doing all that they please, and at the last moment say the "sinners prayer" and somehow "pull one over on God"....

...that won't happen. For one, there is no guarantee that you'll even live until tomorrow, let alone old age. And God knows the heart. Only those who are truly sincere and repentant will be saved. It's not the words, it's what you truly believe. Living a lifetime without God, and then drumming up saving faith at the last moment would be difficult, if not impossible.

Those will be among the one's who will cry "Lord, Lord" and Jesus will say, "I never knew you. Depart from me."

The Parable of the Workmen in the Vineyard

"For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. After agreeing with the laborers for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard. When he went out about nine o'clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace; and to them he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' So they went. When he went out again about noon and about three o'clock, he did the same. And about five o'clock he went and found others standing around; and he said to them, 'Why are you standing here idle all day?' They said to him, 'Because no one has hired us.' He said to them, 'You also go into the vineyard.' When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, 'Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last then going to the first.' When those hired about five o'clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage. And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, saying, 'These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have born the burden of the day and the scorching heat.' But he replied to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last as I give to you. Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous.?' " (Matthew 20:1-15)

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This has a lot to do with God saving those at anytime in their lives. Some Christians feel that their entire lives spent in the service of God gives them a special "right" to salvation and rewards...while God points out, he is generous to save and reward at anytime.

[Trusting Jesus]

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. " Acts 16:31

There is nothing we can do to obtain salvation other than believe. We are not saved by works, but our faith should be evident by our works:

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James 2:18.

If a person accepts Christ on his deathbed he will have no chance of living out his faith on earth. But again, it is our faith - no works - that save us.

A huge problem in thinking that you can wait until that moment of death is that you never know when that might be. What if you put off salvation, but are instantly killed in a car accident, or die of a massive heart attack. Then there will be no time to repent of your sins and accept Jesus. It is better to accept Him before it is too late.

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Nathele

[Zadok Rox]

Yes. Time is not the issue.

Amen. John Wayne accepted Christ on his deathbed...which is very cool because I always wanted to shake that man's hand. Hopefully I can persevere to the end to enter eternal life as well.

I'm not saying that John Wayne is the reason I want to go to heaven! But, after God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Mary, the Apostles, and a whole bunch more very cool Christian historical figures, it would be neat to meet the Duke.

If we have truly been regenerated there is no "if" about it. The bible promises us that all those who are truly regenerated by trusting in Jesus alone will persevere. It is a result of salvation.

You go on with your assurance, I'll go on persevering and working out my salvation in fear and trembling.

And it says those who persevere to the end WILL be saved, not have already been saved. Matt 10:22, Matt 24:13, Mark 8:35

But there's John 3:3, where Jesus says "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Then Ephesians 2:8-9 says "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Working out one's savation could be like how one works out their body: you got it, now work it out.

Back on topic: yes, the example of the repentant thief on the cross shows that will be saved if they become born-again before death. However, it must be stressed that one must not tempt God because we don't know when we're going to die. The bad thing about a deathbed conversion is that not everybody reaches the deathbed before they die.

[MeCajunboy]

and he do not have any experience of faith travel

Be very careful how you convey and perceive this thought! Don't be fooled or conned into thinking that anyone can run their entire lives ignoring God's calling on them to live a Christian life and they not hasten to his call, then when they find themselves in a hospital or on their death bed, they finally decide that they need to repent in their last days....... I can't imagine God taken lightly to that....God cannot be fooled. And he does not tolerate foolishness.

Blessings

Cajunboy

[MeCajunboy]

and he do not have any experience of faith travel

YES

It's Not The Distance Traveled

It's The One You Meet At The End Of The Trip.

BELIEF

The Name

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 20:31

The Offer

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:28

The Way

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

The Gift

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

Good Question Dear Sister

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

Not sure if I agree this time Joe??? (It's not the distance traveled) If God made numerous attempts to reach you during the duration of yoou "entertaining" you sins and you refused HIM, and you suddenly found yourself on your death bed and near death and decided to "repent" just before you expired, God is not a fool, and He is very clear on this subject in HIS Bible.

[damo1]

and he do not have any experience of faith travel

How is that question being asked? Is it someone that just happened to be dying and the Lord brought into remembrance the Gospel he once heard, but put it off to think about it another time because he was young and need not worry about God and Heaven yet or .......

Is this question being asked in regards to someone that heard about Jesus, but would rather continue living in sin and then call on Him should he find himself dying?

The answer to the first question is yes... he will be saved.

The answer to the second scenario points out several problems....

If preferring the darkness rather than coming to the Light, that person may not want to call on the Lord when he dies.

Another problem would be if the person dies before he could call on the Lord to save him because people can die suddenly and without notice.

But it is possible for that person wanting to live in sin to call on the Lord to be saved if he finds himself dying to do so in time, as it is written, all those that call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. That is a promise from God.

But that is a very risky stance to take since death could strile at any moment.

Some people have different reasons for not coming to Jesus. One I have seen is the religious call of the age like the commitment to Christ in order to come to Jesus. That is not the full Gospel.

The Gospel is about Jesus Christ being the Saviour in that He came to deliver sinners from their sins... so that sin shall no longer have dominion over them. A sinner cannot see in himself to make a commitment to Christ in coming to Him because he cannot see it in himself to make it for he is a slave to sin.... as in he still has desires to sin and cannot see himself giving them up as the sin has dominion over him. It is for this cause, Jesus came.. to destroy the works of the devil in our lives so that we are no longer slaves to sin. He is called the Saviour not only because there is eternal life in Him, but He saves us from our sins. He is called Our Good Shepherd because He is going to help us live as His so that is why the religious calling to make a commitment to Christ has no power because it is on the sinner to do it, but the Gospel is about Jesus Christ and God's Covenant to us that He will do it and all He asks from the sinner is believe on Me. The hope for living the christian life as well as eternal life is all on Jesus Christ and that is why He is the Good News to man... for it is a relationship with God based on trust in Him and His promises to us.

So unless the sinner just wants to live in sin and does not care to have a relationship with God made possible by Jesus Christ and through Jesus Christ, then there really is no reason why the sinner should not come to Him now for He will deliver us from our sins and help us live as His. That is His glory.

damo1

think what you are saying my friend i know an inmate who i heard about on death row and in his last moment he repented and asked jesus into his life and he is in heaven

the person is asking a simple question and most have said yes you do not need to throw a lot of scripture hear and then confuse the issue more

[damo1]

damo1

most have given value input to wear one went off a bit i stated in this topic i left for him to think

i belive we are and he says it in the living word of god that yes just as we are about to pass on to the next life and we repent and ask christ into our lives we wil get to heaven as its not just for us that are alive and have been christians for a long time

i was told of some one on death row who said the sinners prayer and repented and asked jesus into his life and i feel that the bible does not lie about this

[patricia1]

and he do not have any experience of faith travel

How is that question being asked? Is it someone that just happened to be dying and the Lord brought into remembrance the Gospel he once heard, but put it off to think about it another time because he was young and need not worry about God and Heaven yet or .......

Is this question being asked in regards to someone that heard about Jesus, but would rather continue living in sin and then call on Him should he find himself dying?

The answer to the first question is yes... he will be saved.

The answer to the second scenario points out several problems....

If preferring the darkness rather than coming to the Light, that person may not want to call on the Lord when he dies.

Another problem would be if the person dies before he could call on the Lord to save him because people can die suddenly and without notice.

But it is possible for that person wanting to live in sin to call on the Lord to be saved if he finds himself dying to do so in time, as it is written, all those that call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. That is a promise from God.

But that is a very risky stance to take since death could strile at any moment.

Some people have different reasons for not coming to Jesus. One I have seen is the religious call of the age like the commitment to Christ in order to come to Jesus. That is not the full Gospel.

The Gospel is about Jesus Christ being the Saviour in that He came to deliver sinners from their sins... so that sin shall no longer have dominion over them. A sinner cannot see in himself to make a commitment to Christ in coming to Him because he cannot see it in himself to make it for he is a slave to sin.... as in he still has desires to sin and cannot see himself giving them up as the sin has dominion over him. It is for this cause, Jesus came.. to destroy the works of the devil in our lives so that we are no longer slaves to sin. He is called the Saviour not only because there is eternal life in Him, but He saves us from our sins. He is called Our Good Shepherd because He is going to help us live as His so that is why the religious calling to make a commitment to Christ has no power because it is on the sinner to do it, but the Gospel is about Jesus Christ and God's Covenant to us that He will do it and all He asks from the sinner is believe on Me. The hope for living the christian life as well as eternal life is all on Jesus Christ and that is why He is the Good News to man... for it is a relationship with God based on trust in Him and His promises to us.

So unless the sinner just wants to live in sin and does not care to have a relationship with God made possible by Jesus Christ and through Jesus Christ, then there really is no reason why the sinner should not come to Him now for He will deliver us from our sins and help us live as His. That is His glory.

damo1

think what you are saying my friend i know an inmate who i heard about on death row and in his last moment he repented and asked jesus into his life and he is in heaven

the person is asking a simple question and most have said yes you do not need to throw a lot of scripture hear and then confuse the issue more

YES, Yes, All who call upon JESUS will be SAVED. And the last will be first and the first will be last. We will be suprised at who is up there!!

I was transferred from one place to the next on my Job. I knew then there was someoone needing the Lord Jesus or some type of ministering to.

None of the patients I had seemed to witness to my Spirt.

I had seen nurses going it and out of a room, actually running out. In asking about that room I was told a man in there who is spitting his contaminated blood at every nurse who tries to take care of him was in there. They were keeping the curtain surrounding him for their protection and taking turns going in.

This unfortumately witnessed to my Spirit..I prayed and prayed for I was not to talk to him behind the curtain. Eventually with reservation I entered his room, pulled back the curtains and stood at the foot of his bed. I saw the most bitter, angry, horrible emaciated man I ever did see with a wad of bloody spit ready to hew towards me. He looked absolutely taken over by devils and in such torment.

Forgetting myself, which the Holy Sprit had the upper hand and with the authority of Jesus commanded to speak to this man. Said what needed to be said. The compassion of our Lord Father just filled my being for this person I did not know but He knew, The Love and compassion was enough to make this man stop and listen. He accepted the Lord as his savior and died that very day.

The nurses could not believe I was in there more than ten minutes with this man. He fell asleep that night and never gave trouble to the care givers that night. He had not been asleep in many days.

I would have passed this man by if I looked at the natural.. and I know some people will be suprised to see him up there but I can't wait