Unscriptural Hymnals In Worship

[poorinspirit]

poor in spirit, I understand the main point of what you're saying. This topic was brought up earlier by some Christian ladies I know.

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!

Nice ta meetcha, terter!!!

I thank the Lord that you know what I am sharing with you by the grace of God! He is the one that causes the increase so that is why I thank Him for your steadfastness in the faith!

Best I get back to bed now. Hope you have a good day!

[nebula]

Sorry. Getting tired. I have posted in this thread that the Holy Spirit is a Person. And I would refer to seducing spirits as it as it would be the only thing falling on believers that already have the Holy Spirit in them. But I can admit my mistakes in my grammar and usage of it. Sorry. And I should have also used the word "the scriptures" in place of the it also just to be clear there too.

Apology accepted.

[nebula]

And yet the even some of the titles of thses hymnals are addressing the Holy Spirit alone thus glorifying Him alone.

So, poor in spirit, are you saying that it is a sin to even talk to the Holy Spirit? He is in us, but we cannot fellowship with Him? Is this what you are saying?

Yes. It is a sin because Jesus is the mediator between God and man and you dishonor Jesus by doing so... and you better believe the Holy Spirit would rather you talk to Jesus or by Jesus to the Father. We worship God IN Spirit and in truth thus the fellowship is present as He fulfills the role of the Comforter pointing us to seek the face of Jesus.

Would you consider it a sin to even ask the Holy Spirit to tell you more about Jesus?

[damo1]

damo1

you are starting to get on my nerves poor in spirit why do you think i am hiding behind something since you cant answer my question are you so much in athority hear poor in spirit to even come against what i pointed out too you in gods word

also explaine then poor in spirit on the great commission

Matthew 28

16 then the seven disciples went to galiee in the mountain where jesus had told them to go

17 when they saw him they worshiped him but some doubted

18 then jesus came to them and said all athority in heaven and on earth has been given to me

19 there for go and make disciples out of all the nations baptizing in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit

share with the great wisdom you seem to have to me so others that log on to this post poor in spirit as i am reading the same bible as you are poor in spirit and again i see another poster is also taping you on the back by saying i know wear you are coming from seem to me you are starting to get a fan club hear poor in spirit

share your wisdom hear please tell me poor in spirit how i am going to get punished by god ? have you thought of the challange i left for you poor in spirit about preaching to those wear you live for a week if you feel that you are the only one right hear poor in spirit

Matthew 12

32 Anyone who speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven but anyone who speaks against the holy spirit will not be forgiven either in this age or in the age to come

please poor in spirit tell me in the post i want you to leave me how i am going to be punished for asking the holy spirit to open my eyes to the truth of gods living word

also tell me poor in spirit since you have so much wisdom and i am just a commen criminal who christ forgave me in 1988 when i came out of jail and found my self in a spirit filled unitting church what spirit is saducing me poor in spirit

you seem to sift as i am saying threw gods word and you expect people when they read what you posted in this post to agree with you

everything that i have said to you poor in spirit has been from my own personal experiances

when i finished reading the bible it was the holy spirit who was able to alow me to see what happend in jesus last hours on this earth poor in spirit this is how open i was to gods word while serving a second time for brake and enter as i was supporting my herroin addiction and i was living on the streets in a run down motel in kings cross with other street kids i was 18yr old when i finished serving my time in one of the harshest jails in Australia

i mocked god and every single christian that tried to reach out to me and i even had one christian by the shirt and i said to him if i wear to hit you wil your jesus you belive in save you as this group use to preach to us bouncers and the sex workers and strippers i was looking after making such foolish state ments telling me i was living in sin in the life style i was so use too

so poor in spirit how is a simple man like my self hiding when in our prayer meeting right now for 8 weeks we are crying out to god i have already finished fasting i started friday night and finished sunday morning 40 of us as a group are doing this in our church poor in spirit are we even in sin by doing this my friend

are you the only one that is saved poor in spirit and the rest of us need to be corrected by you as you some how seem to know all the answers poor in spirit you like to make such statments and not see that i am a person too on the other side of the world and some how you want to correct me bacuse i am open and have a teachable spirit

my friend you are the one in fault hear do you think i do not know those passages you left for me to read

so please respond to what i have left you hear since this is going to be left in cyber space i would like you to share your wisdom that you have on why you feel god is teling you to correct me you have not met me face to face as the people hear wear i live have met me you now nothing of my own personal strugles poor in spirit and some how you feel god has something to say threw you to me

this is how i feel about what you have said hear in your post to me as i would not want to be in your shoes i know how to pick a spirit that is not of god i am not that much of a fool as i have 1 john 4 marked very clear poor in spirit but

i am going to put the challange up even preach to those that you work with poor in spirit and tel me what reaction you get

oh and i am not offended my friend at all since you want to correct me i state what i feel that needs to be said threw gods spirit helping me

peace

[Guest]

Would you consider it a sin to even ask the Holy Spirit to tell you more about Jesus?

Dear poorinspirit

Quench Not The Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit And The Holy Bible Is The Teacher Of The Church Not You Not Me.

Have You Not Heard, The Holy Ghost Is God?

What Jesus Said.... The Spirit Of Truth - God's Voice

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." John 16:7-15

The Spirit Prays For Us

"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:26

The Holy Spirit Seals Us

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13

The Holy Ghost Is God

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7

Writing The Words Of Christ On Our Hearts

"Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart." 2 Corinthians 3:3

A Clear Heads Up For All Of Us

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

poorinspirit, The Holy Bible And The Holy Spirit Is The Teacher Of The Church Not You Not Me.

Worship God In Truth And In Spirit Instead Of Bashing The Brethren Because Of Some Imagined Flaw In Worship Songs And In Prayer.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Matthew 7:1-2

Do You Really Desire To Lord It Over A Brother And To Attempt to Stifle His Prayers To The Living God (The Father, The Son And The Holy Ghost)

"But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." Mathew 23:11-12

When You Hurl Damnation Down Upon Beloved damo1 And Other Christians, Please Remember The God Who Loves Them So Hears You.

"Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee." Deuteronomy 23:5

I Forgive You Dear Brother And I Forgive The One I Think Is Your Teacher In This Attack Upon The Worship Of God's Kids.

If He Is The One Who's Voice I Hear In Your Posts, This Is A Brother Consumed With Hurting The Beloved Of The KING And Denying The Power Of The Holy Ghost And Stomping Out The Joy Of The LORD Wherever He Detects It. He Can Not Bear The Worship Of Other Folk He Has Not Given Prior Approval Of. I Fell Shame For This Brother When I Hear His Vitriol Poured Out Upon God's Little Ones.

"Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings." 1 Thessalonians 5:19-20

He Does Not Even Know The Anointing Has Left Him.

"And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD was departed from him." Judges 16:20

poorinspirit, My Spirit Weeps For You And For Your Teachers Who Turn From The Love Of The Lord Jesus And Who Incessantly Belittle And Mock The Power Of The Holy Spirit In The Lives And Worship Of God's Kids. What a lost To The Battle For Souls.

"Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

Rejoice evermore.

Pray without ceasing.

In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." 1 Thessalonians 5:14-18

Thank You Lord

1940 by Bessie Sykes

Thank You Lord for saving my soul.

Thank You Lord, for making me whole.

Thank You Lord for giving to me.

Thy great salvation, so rich and free.

http://www.christianmusicweb.com/songs/All...tion_medley.txt

Scripture Reference

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

I Love You, Lord

[Redefine_Me]

Fresno Joe

[ParanoidAndroid]

Would you mind citing the hymns and their text to show us which ones you are thinking to be unscriptural?

There have been a few songs that I have found to be unscriptural. The first one that comes to mind is the song "This Kingdom" by Geoff Bullock. The first verse goes like this:

Jesus God's righteousness revealed.

The Son of Man, the Son of God,

His Kingdom come.

Jesus, redemptions sacrifice.

Now glorified, now justified,

His Kingdom Come......

I was pointed this out once and since then have never been able to sing this song with the rest of the congregation - When it says "Jesus, redemptions sacrifice", and then referring to Jesus again it says "Now glorified, now justified"...... and I can't help but think that Jesus never needed justifying on the cross, so this line is unscriptural. It seems just a line that this song-writer added to rhyme with "glorified".

For a while, my church changed the lyrics to either "Now glorified, we're justified", or occasionally "Now glorified, He justifies". But in the past year or so, since we changed to a new computer system for our lyrics, it has gone back to the original.

I can't say I'm a fan of that, and I never sing it as the lyrics state it. Giving praise and worship through song does not mean compromising our theological understandings simply because the lyrics sound good.

Another song that comes to mind is based on Psalm 51, which goes:

And cast me not away, from your presence O Lord,

And take not your Holy Spirit from me.

Return unto me, the joys of your salvation,

And renew a right spirit within me.......

Even though it is based entirely on the words of the Psalms, I'm not sure about the validity in singing it in church today, considering that the role of the Holy Spirit has changed in the Old and New Testaments. In teh Old Testament, the HS was a gift given only to certain people for certain purposes, and could be withdrawn at any time. In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit is promised to us all, to all Christians, and it is a gift that can not be taken away. So to sing a prayer to God that he not take the HS from us is simply not accurate in the modern world.

Anywho, that's just a couple of songs that come to mind off the top of my head, thanks for starting this thread, poorinspirit - a good discussion to work with

All the best,

~ Regards, PA

Edited October 23, 2007 by ParanoidAndroid

[poorinspirit]

And yet the even some of the titles of thses hymnals are addressing the Holy Spirit alone thus glorifying Him alone.

So, poor in spirit, are you saying that it is a sin to even talk to the Holy Spirit? He is in us, but we cannot fellowship with Him? Is this what you are saying?

Yes. It is a sin because Jesus is the mediator between God and man and you dishonor Jesus by doing so... and you better believe the Holy Spirit would rather you talk to Jesus or by Jesus to the Father. We worship God IN Spirit and in truth thus the fellowship is present as He fulfills the role of the Comforter pointing us to seek the face of Jesus.

Would you consider it a sin to even ask the Holy Spirit to tell you more about Jesus?

hi nebula,

That's His job so there is no need to. He is not going to stop, so really.. the whole point would be to look to Whom the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing to... Jesus.. and ask for wisdom that way since..

#1.... the words the Holy Spirit speaks are not His own.. whatever He hears... that He speaks.

John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 14: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

How are we children of the light?

John 8: 12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 11: 9Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

John 12: 34The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man? 35Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. 36While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light......

Hebrews 12: 7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

So from John 8:12.. by following Jesus Whom the indwelling Holy Ghost is pointing to, testifying of, and glorifying, then so should we if we are to abide in the Light.

2 Corinthians 4: 5For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 2: 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 11: 31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Hebrews 12: 4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

That is how I see those left behind at the rapture as the prodigal sons and the foolish virgins that missed out on their first inheritance.

1 Peter 4: 16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

John 10: 14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Those left behind will finally hear His voice after being chastened at the loss of their first inheritance. All this because they heeded not His sayings in following Him as they build on that faith in Him.

John 6: 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So following Jesus as in seeking the face of Christ is abiding in the Light and thus why the indwelling Holy Ghost is pointing you to Jesus. The Holy Ghost is not going anywhere. He dwells in us as promised... and those that have come to Jesus has found their resting place so our faith and words and practise and hymnals should reflect that faith in the Good News!

Hebrews 4: 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

2 Timothy 4: 1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

I leave His Words for God to cause the increase. Amen.

[poorinspirit]

Would you mind citing the hymns and their text to show us which ones you are thinking to be unscriptural?

There have been a few songs that I have found to be unscriptural. The first one that comes to mind is the song "This Kingdom" by Geoff Bullock. The first verse goes like this:

Jesus God's righteousness revealed.

The Son of Man, the Son of God,

His Kingdom come.

Jesus, redemptions sacrifice.

Now glorified, now justified,

His Kingdom Come......

I was pointed this out once and since then have never been able to sing this song with the rest of the congregation - When it says "Jesus, redemptions sacrifice", and then referring to Jesus again it says "Now glorified, now justified"...... and I can't help but think that Jesus never needed justifying on the cross, so this line is unscriptural. It seems just a line that this song-writer added to rhyme with "glorified".

For a while, my church changed the lyrics to either "Now glorified, we're justified", or occasionally "Now glorified, He justifies". But in the past year or so, since we changed to a new computer system for our lyrics, it has gone back to the original.

I can't say I'm a fan of that, and I never sing it as the lyrics state it. Giving praise and worship through song does not mean compromising our theological understandings simply because the lyrics sound good.

Another song that comes to mind is based on Psalm 51, which goes:

And cast me not away, from your presence O Lord,

And take not your Holy Spirit from me.

Return unto me, the joys of your salvation,

And renew a right spirit within me.......

Even though it is based entirely on the words of the Psalms, I'm not sure about the validity in singing it in church today, considering that the role of the Holy Spirit has changed in the Old and New Testaments. In teh Old Testament, the HS was a gift given only to certain people for certain purposes, and could be withdrawn at any time. In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit is promised to us all, to all Christians, and it is a gift that can not be taken away. So to sing a prayer to God that he not take the HS from us is simply not accurate in the modern world.

Anywho, that's just a couple of songs that come to mind off the top of my head, thanks for starting this thread, poorinspirit - a good discussion to work with

All the best,

~ Regards, PA

Hi PA!

Thanks for sharing!! This goes to show why we should discern the hymnals even moreso other than what I have touched base on in regards to our faith.

[poorinspirit]

Hi damo1,

you are starting to get on my nerves poor in spirit why do you think i am hiding behind something since you cant answer my question

You keep telling me not to correct you everytime you prompt me to respond. So when I do respond, you get mad and tell me not to correct you. Seems like a vicious cycle you got going there.

also explaine then poor in spirit on the great commission

Matthew 28 16 then the seven disciples went to galiee in the mountain where jesus had told them to go 17 when they saw him they worshiped him but some doubted 18 then jesus came to them and said all athority in heaven and on earth has been given to me 19 there for go and make disciples out of all the nations baptizing in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit

share with the great wisdom

Now see. You are looking to me to grant wisdom when you should be asking the Lord for wisdom in discerning whethor what I have shared here is something for you to consider in your walk with Jesus.

share your wisdom hear please tell me poor in spirit how i am going to get punished by god ? have you thought of the challange i left for you poor in spirit about preaching to those wear you live for a week if you feel that you are the only one right hear poor in spirit

The Lord is patient. He has given me the fruit of patience. It's all on Him to cause the increase, but soon, the time will end with the shutting of that door.

James 5: 10Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

2 Peter 3: 8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Matthew 12 :32 Anyone who speaks a word against the son of man will be forgiven but anyone who speaks against the holy spirit will not be forgiven either in this age or in the age to come

please poor in spirit tell me in the post i want you to leave me how i am going to be punished for asking the holy spirit to open my eyes to the truth of gods living word

Would you punish those when you start pastoring that church in the Philippians when they start worshipping you? Or are you going to wait till the fervor dies down enough till they hear you pointing them to Jesus Christ? Would you throw out the newbie for coming to you and praying to you or would you be patient by sharing His words to the newbie to pray to the Lord Jesus Christ and thereby the Father? The Lord is patient as the indwelling Holy Spirit is "still" pointing you to Jesus, but punishment will begin when that door is shut at the rapture, then you are going to wish you were seeking His face the whole time when He appears. According to our faith, the Holy Spirit is not going anywhere thus fulfilling the role of the Comforter by abiding in us forever... and we have Jesus to thank for that.

Remember Him? The guy that took our offenses.. our sins upon Himself to pay the penalty for them? The Son of God that died on the cross for us after being whipped, beatened, mocked, and tempted to be provoked because no greater love than this is He Who lays His life down for His friend? Why would you stop seeking His face? Why look at the Holy Spirit when the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing you to Jesus?

everything that i have said to you poor in spirit has been from my own personal experiances

so please respond to what i have left you hear

I believe you need to not look behind...

Philippians 3: 12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Imagine if those believers that experienced Pentecost stayed where they were at that "special spot" where the Holy Ghost fell on them. Didn't matter if they spoke the wonderful works of God in foreign languages the first time so foreign Jews would hear the Gospel in their native languages, but they continue right there.... day after day.. year after year.. stuck in the past trying to relive that moment of Pentecost over and over again as that takes the spotlight off of seeking after the face of Jesus Christ. Then they make a church centered around the Holy Ghost and the day of Pentecost. Would it not be the same if John the Baptist continued crying out that he is still the voice in the wilderness preparing the way of the Lord as if He has not come yet, but gloried in his given anointing of being that voice in the wilderness in preparing the way for the Lord thus acting like He has not come yet? And yet, John the Baptist decreased so that Jesus may increase. So why do people chase after the holy Ghost Whom they have received by promise for coming to Jesus and yet act like they have not received Him yet? All invitations given is towards the Jesus Christ. And if that is what the indwelling Holy Spirit is doing because He does not speak of himself.. the words you hear the Holy Spirit speak are not His own.,.. for whatever He hears that He speaks.. and where do those words come from.. the Good Shepherd.. Jesus Christ the Lord.

John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

this is how i feel about what you have said hear in your post to me as i would not want to be in your shoes i know how to pick a spirit that is not of god i am not that much of a fool as i have 1 john 4 marked very clear poor in spirit but

Then how can you discern that which is in the world falling on you again and again if you do not hold to the faith that the Holy Spirit is in you? That is why the line of discernment was given in that greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world in 1 John 3:22- 4:6.

i am going to put the challange up even preach to those that you work with poor in spirit and tel me what reaction you get

oh and i am not offended my friend at all since you want to correct me i state what i feel that needs to be said threw gods spirit helping me

Strange how I read your reaction as being offended. So why are you offended? Because I am pointing you to Jesus as the indwelling Holy Ghost is doing through His words just so you will be found abiding in Him by following Jesus and seeking after His face thereby abiding in the Light and not stumbling nor "falling" by not taking any detours to distractions in His name even if it is temporarily?

Anyway, I wonder if you will be able to catch yourself again, telling me not to correct you and yet you want me to respond. Sounds like you are upset to me, but I think you need to stop looking at me and heed his words in prayer. As I said.. I am nothing. Just pointing you to Jesus as the indwelling Holy Ghost is. May the God cause the increase... for I know I cannot. His glory... not mine.