Who are you ok with spanking your children?

[sweetycakes]

As far as electrical plugs go, when I had little ones I had those things you stick in the sockets.

Electrical plugs...........

Yeah.......I hadn't thought of that one

A very effective form of discipline, I would think.......

Wire the little blighters up to the mains.

They won't disobey again

[Axxman]

Axxman:

I can't seem to find the word 'nakah' in an English-Hebrew dictionary but would like to look it up somewhere.

Its in the Theological Word Book of the Old Testament..entry #1364. Strongs #05221

You can find it in online lexicons at places like crosswalk.com too.

[Emily~Anne]

Axxman:

I can't seem to find the word 'nakah' in an English-Hebrew dictionary but would like to look it up somewhere.

Its in the Theological Word Book of the Old Testament..entry #1364. Strongs #05221

You can find it in online lexicons at places like crosswalk.com too.

Is this it? http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=05221

I am always suspicious when a person has to go to great lengths of argument to prove a verse does not say what it clearly says. I mean, is the bible that unreliable?

[OneLight]

I will tell you that I picked your post to comment on because your attitude was down right nasty from your first two sentences. Your reply was full of "This is what it means" as if your way is the correct way and that the rest of us are wrong.

Your opening statement:

Since some people have taken to using the scriptures to justify hitting their kids as a form of punishment, it is only reasonable that I give an alternate (and more loving) view of these oft distorted scriptures.

You have a right to voice your opinion, but they way you addressed us who believe in spanking is not in the "love" you mention above.

OneLight

I'll except your comments, and consider what you said. I hope you believe me when I say...my posts were NOT intended the way you took them. Is it now considered "nasty" to inform you of what words mean? I'm sorry if I have a "this is what it means" approach...but truth be told...That IS what it means. I don't say it to be condescending, but there are quite a few Christians who hit their kids because the KJV translators chose to use the word "beat" instead of "thrust, force, guide, or push." I just put it out there that there is an alternate explanation. The bible doesn't say to hit your kids, nor does it establish any guidelines for the 'proper' way to do so, so I don't think its wise to imploy a manner of discipline that could potentially harm a child physically. That is my opinion (admmittedly) based upon what the bible teaches us.

First, I want to point out that I never used the word "hit", but the word "spank". You have turned the idea of discipline into abuse by changing one word. To make this even more clear, in your mind, if I was to say I was going to SPANK you, would you not picture someone slapping your butt? Now, If I was to say that I was going to HIT you, do you not see a more violent action? You choice of words changes the very meaning of what I said, as if you are putting words in my mouth.

Secondly, you assume that I am less loving if I spank my child. I see it as more loving by doing something that I never liked to do in the first place in order to show my child how serious the situation is. Ever heard of tough love?

Thirdly, I do not see how I view the verses I used from Proverbs as be distorted. You might, but that is your opinion.

Fourthly, "nasty" is a description on how you came across by the words you used, not the fact that you wanted to "inform you of what words mean". Just to let you know, I already know what they mean.

Fifth point, thanks for agreeing with me that you are indeed telling us that your way of thinking is the right way.

Sixth, again, to prove you point, you change the word spank to "hit" in order to make it seem like a violent crime.

Last, but not least, please, in this matter, use the word "me" instead of "us" for I do not agree with you on this matter, but the word "us" implies that I do.

OneLight

[artsylady]

Is this it? http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=05221

I am always suspicious when a person has to go to great lengths of argument to prove a verse does not say what it clearly says. I mean, is the bible that unreliable?

Strange that that word has 2 different meanings that are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Emily~Anne]

Is this it? http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=05221

I am always suspicious when a person has to go to great lengths of argument to prove a verse does not say what it clearly says. I mean, is the bible that unreliable?

Strange that that word has 2 different meanings that are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

The word 'beat' you mean?

[artsylady]

No the Hebrew word 'nakah'.

Beat, hit etc as well as applaud, clap. ??

[Emily~Anne]

No the Hebrew word 'nakah'.

Beat, hit etc as well as applaud, clap. ??

Well to quote where that whole discussion came out of..

We've already covered the FACT that "beating" or "nakah" doesn't have to mean physically strike in regards to its context with a shepherd's rod.

And I wasnt aware we had already covered that fact? Link to definition: http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=05221 How do we get 'applaud' or 'clap' or out of that?

And how does applaud fit into:

Proverbs 23:13-14 (King James Version)

13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

?

[artsylady]

to smite, strike, beat, scourge, clap, applaud, give a thrust

[Emily~Anne]

to smite, strike, beat, scourge, clap, applaud, give a thrust

But that doesnt make any sense with the verse if it were to be used in the 'applaud' context.

'If thou 'applaud' him with the rod, he shall not die.'

I'm not getting it.