Christians and the beach

[Scarletprayers]

Thats not what I'm talking about at all, I'm saying men need to be responsible for their own actions instead of blaming it on the women. Isn't that what Adam did?

[AndrewA]

The Bible also says for a man to look at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart. There is NO mention of how the woman is dressed or behaving in this. Because the sin isn't the womans, its the mans.

Correct.

One man could happily sit amongst several women who are naked and not have a single imoral or impure lustful thought enter his mind, especailly if he has his own wife who he only has eyes for present!

Another man on other hand can see a nun or another see a woman dressed in a tent from head to foot but is showing her bare feet. the man has a foot fetish. These two men spend all day and weeks after fantasizing about what they have seen and lusting after those women .

If you read my previous post you will see a few other ideas that i wont repeat here, however we do seem to be missing the man who has these problems out the equation. As with any sin or bad thought it is somthing a person can be healed from and they should be activly concious of not putting themslevs in situations where they will have lustful thoughts.

A person who has a drink problem will not go anywhere near an establishment that sells alcohol, such as traveling 20 miles to get some bread instead of end of road as they know the shop 20 miles away does not sell alcohol. In the same way a man with lust problems should be stopping himself from looking at things on internet, avoiding places like the beach etc.

However a man who has these problems should be allowed to attend any church activity or function without being exposed to these thoughts, this is where women must dress modesty. That Christian man may also be in the library, in the garage, in the shop you go to, anywhere at all, so again you must be dressed appropriately at all times. But beach is different story.

[Vickilynn]

If you go back through this thread somewhere, I've already said that women need to dress with modesty and restraint. But, that doesn't change the fact that this thread is putting the onus on us and not on the men where it also belongs. Sometimes, it doesn't make any difference what a woman is wearing a man will have impure thoughts. All I'm saying is men need to take responsibility for their own actions and not try to place the blame all on the women, which is basically what this whole thread is doing, along with plenty of the women.

Shalom SP,

No one is "blaming" anyone. There's not one post that blames anyone. I'm sorry you feel that way. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to go back and forth with you on it. I just want to say that the onus is on EACH of us to dress and behave in a way that does not cause our brother to stumble. Anything less than that is not loving one another as Jesus loves us and calls us to love.

I appreciate the exhortation for women to consider that the Word says we must dress modestly as sometimes we don't think about it. That's all.

I'll leave you alone now. Love you!

[Massorite]

A camisole under a blouse can also help to avoid bralines being seen.

Some years I found out that a Christian brother had gotten a glimpse of my, er, chest when I leaned over. He cherished that image and used it to commit mental adultery against his wife for years! How did I find out? Because he told me himself after my husband died - the guy started hitting on me, even though he was married.

I would hate for such a thing to happen to anyone else.

Shalom Sheya Joie,

A wise word of experience. Thank you for sharing that. We had something similar happen to some friends of ours and it caused terrible repercussions. The woman who wore modest clothing (long skirts, loose tops), had no idea that she did something in front of a man (not her husband) and the man was able to see part of her body that he used for sexual fantasy.

Please women, please be mindful.

I agree Vickilynn both men and women should always be aware of how they are acting or how they are dressed. My wife helps me to make sure that I never show chest hair or wear pants the are to tight and I always see to it that my wife doesn't wear anything that is too revealing. We work together on that.

[Afal]

So where is the original poster in this discussion? I have just checked. Since he posted the OP, he has not contributed to this discussion at all. Is he just sitting there enjoying the debate anonymously? :noidea: I just can't see the point of starting a discussion and then not posting in response!

(Maybe I am just naive!). I suggest that the discussion is stopped here until he responds to some of the points that have been made in response to his OP!!! :o :o

Shalom Afal,

The poster has been one who has posted on the board before. Whether the OP makes any comments or not, the OP stands and all are free to contribute to the topic. I think it's a good one and one that makes for good discussion and Bible teaching. If you wish to drop out, that's up to you, but I think the thread is fine as it is, people are making interesting comments back and forth. There is no board rule that states the OP must join in the conversation BTW.

You missed my point Vickilynn. The point I was trying to make was that if somebody wishes to discuss an issue, then that is fine, but as the person who wished to discuss this issue hadn't made any further contribution to the discussion, then what can we deduce from that? Well, I'll leave that up to you to decide!

By the way, at no time have I suggested that any board rules have been broken. I was just making an observation.

[Wingwalker]

One thing i can say about the burka, it takes all the guess work out of getting dressed!

You will never see me in one, I enjoy the challenge of getting modestly dressed.

[Vickilynn]

One thing i can say about the burka, it takes all the guess work out of getting dressed!

Shalom Wingwalker,

Too funny.

[Scarletprayers]

don't have to worry about make-up or bad hair days either!

[Wingwalker]

hey now!!!!!!! do not make the burka so tempting

[Afal]

don't have to worry about make-up or bad hair days either!

Yippee!