Gay and lesbian ministers

[Andrew007]

1 Cor. 14:34-35 isn't talking about them being pastors or evangelists... it's talking about the women in the congergation who were unruley and out of order. If you would stop taking things out of context you would realize that Paul was talking about the very unruley corinthian church.

[eric]

What has women in ministry to do with the original title of this thread. It's supposed to be about lesbian preachers, not normal women. There is no such thing as a christian lesbian....Period.

[RGR]

Andrew007,

I mean no offence,but you aren't too familiar with 1 Cor.14:34,35 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;but they are commanded to be under obedience,as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything,let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" 1 Tim.2:12, "But I suffer not a woman to teach,nor to usurp authority over the man,but to be in silence." Paul told Timothy that if a man desired the position of a bishop,he must be the HUBAND OF ONE WIFE. You said that you don't see anything wrong with women preachers, well brother, what's wrong with it is the fact that God said that women are not to preach. Where do you think Paul got his info from? Please,I mean no offence, but God said.

[Andrew007]

And churches that allow female ministers don't follow the new law either.....and those churches that allow female lesbian ministers are way out of touch with God...

ERIC - This is what started the women in minstry thing.

[Andrew007]

Andrew007,

  I mean no offence,but you aren't too familiar with 1 Cor.14:34,35  "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;but they are commanded to be under obedience,as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything,let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church"  1 Tim.2:12, "But I suffer not a woman to teach,nor to usurp authority over the man,but to be in silence."  Paul told Timothy that if a man desired the position of a bishop,he must be the HUBAND OF ONE WIFE. You said that you don't see anything wrong with women preachers, well brother, what's wrong with it is the fact that God said that women are not to preach. Where do you think Paul got his info from? Please,I mean no offence, but God said.

Thank you, Ronald! God bless you Brother!

[Guest Shilo]

The churches that allow gays as ministers don't follow the old law at all.

:laugh: NOO NO, NO, NO, Andrew, this is what started the thread on ministers.... by your comment.... I was just showing you the same thing that you were trying to say...but mine was from both OT and NT...God's whole word not half of it....

I agree with Salt and Light with regards to 1 Cor.14:34,35...take it as what the word of God says...WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE PREACHERS. period.

Oh and by the way Andrew, that pie in the face can be taken both ways....read it again and see if you get my point....

Have a nice day!

[Jacqueline]

I agree Nikke.

[Guest mjohn]

my Bible...speaks of homosexuality...as a 'great' sin...

So it must be dealt with...confessed...repent...

Turn your back on...and move on...

Other sins... would not be tolerated...

I don't see Drunken Preachers...

Or, Stealing, Lying Preachers...

This is a mockery...on Our Great God...Repent...

And, also God to strengthen you in this weak area... )

[irishcowboy]

I would like to find the section of verses that actually say a woman can not be a pastor........ not a single verse from one chapter from one book.....

the problem I see with homosexuals being pastors, is that they are unwilling to give up their sinful ways to follow Gods ways..... not that their sin is any greater then anyother, but are they repenting from it??? or are they bragging about it and showing the world.... " Hey, Look at me, i am gay and i am a pastor "

for those that say they are not practicing homosexuallity, and have never indulged, then how can a person say they are homosexual??? if a person supposidly knows they are from an early age, then how did they find out??? who was the perp that molested them, or had relations with them.....

as far as a pastor being, it is just as any sin, repent from it.... turn from the old ways and turn towards the Lord..... repent from it... remove ones self from the life style ( sin can be a life style..... and in many cases is..... )

repent repent repent......

if one repents from something, they are not doing it anymore......

if a person that is a cleptomaniac, repents, and lives their life for the Lord, no longer wishes to steal.... and if they temptation is there, they turn it over to the Lord and do not fall into the trap again...... a change of life style....

if a person that has a mouth that uses the Lords name in about every sentance they speak, repents, and turn their life over to the Lord, they will be refraining from using the Lords name in vain..... ( by the way, just using a cuss word attached to the Lords name is not the only way of using His name in vain.... we can also use His name in vain when we are in every day conversation with out swear words.... think about it...... if we say "Oh God it is so Hot i am about to cook"

or " Oh Lord, I am so hungry I am about to starve to death"..... or.......... or

what are we doing???? we are not asking God for anything, we are not praising His Holy Name.... we are not lifing His Name up above all others, we are using it in vain....

anyways, if a person repents of this and follows the Lords will, they will refrain from doing it.... even when temptation is placed before them..... and as we are taught, the Lord will not put more temptation before us then we can handle and will always leave us an out.... and will not allow more then we can handle ever placed upon us, even by satan......

if we are over come by temptation, then it is satan that is at work, and we are bowing down to it, not striding thru it with the help of the Lord.....

many times I have been tempted to pick up cigarettes, and it would have been so easy to do it too, but with the Lords help, I have not picked one up since oct 24th at 4 pm 2003..... if the Lord had not been with me, and if i had not been living on the promise, i could not have made it..... it has been 4 months, and yes, i still get tempted but i dont...... why bow down to temptation, i already know how hard itwas t ostop.... why do it again.....

if these people that are " homosexual " do not repent of their doings, then they are not living the life that God wants for them... if any of us living in sin do not repent from our doings, then we are not living the life that God wants for us..... God wants to bless us, not condemn us.... God wants us to be free from the sins that we have binding us to this world.... God wants to set us free from this world.....

if I was a murderer, and I was continuting to murder people ( even thou the country laws say yea, go ahead, cuts down on the population explossion ) cause it is "legal" to do so, and become a pastor, and do not repent of my wrong doings, then yea, i will burn right along every one else that has not repented....

by the way, murder has become legal, does that make it right???? ( abortion is murder )

mike

[JesusisGod2]

The churches that allow gays as ministers don't follow the old law at all.

And churches that allow female ministers don't follow the new law either.....and those churches that allow female lesbian ministers are way out of touch with God...

Amen brother shilo!