Please tell me... When is the Sabbath?

[Yahsway]

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[Smalcald]

I do keep the Sabbath. I have my main worship day and fellowship on the Sabbath. I abstain from work on the Sabbath. I do no shopping on the Sabbath. Major cooking is done on Friday. I keep the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

As I said before, all this talk is just an excuse to not observe the Sabbath at all, and that is not good. You can't use your human reasoning to reason out of obeying God's commandments. Sabbath observance is one of the 10 Commandment laws and those who are not observing it will get in trouble with God.

And once again:

Exodus 31:16-17 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.'"

There is no end run around this scripture. The Sabbath was commanded to be observed by the Israelites. No one else. Period.

Secondly, as has already been pointed out on numerous occasions, in numerous threads on this very same subject: There is not one single command in the NT concerning the Sabbath. Not one. The "10 commandments" point is as moot as the causing others to work point. Christ fulfilled the Sabbath, and He is Lord of the Sabbath. It's not a difficult concept.

The 10 Commandments point is not moot. It is a very strong indication of how serious God takes this matter. I do not understand how Christians can profess to keep the 10 commandments and, at the same time, say that the 4th commandment has been altered or abolished.

Jesus is lord of the Sabbath, but that doesn't mean that he abolished the Sabbath. The ENTIRE Bible is binding on Christians; not just the NT. The Sabbath was first given in creation week; over 2000 years before there were any Israelites and predates the OT laws. As for Sunday, there is no commandment to keep it in the ENTIRE BIBLE. Because of that, there is more scriptural support for 7th day Sabbath observance than Sunday observance.

I do agree with some of what you are saying. There is no such thing as Sunday Sabbath observance, Sunday was not the Sabbath spoken of by Moses in the Law. Going to Church on Sunday is not observing the Sabbath as defined in Exodus, anymore as going to Church on Saturday is. God indeed rested on the 7th day as spoken of in Genesis. But Sabbath observance was NOT spoken of in Genesis that came about as a command from God through Moses to the Jewish nation.

[Yahsway]

It is not a salvation issue, but the Sabbath still stands as the 7th day.

[Scarletprayers]

It is not a salvation issue, but the Sabbath still stands as the 7th day.

I agree, whole heartedly, but thats not the way its being presented here!

[Vickilynn]

Shalom,

Oh bad, bad, bad!!

EVERY time this comes up, you guys do the same ol' junk. And EVERY time it is shown to you that HOW we observe the Sabbath is not the issue. Because we are not under the law of Moses, we do not observe it as if we were. How many times are y'all gonna keep throwing this out and ignoring the Biblical answer and hijacking the threads?

You guys need to read ALL the other debates where you used this one argument over and over ad nauseam and you ignored the replies. You have been answered, time and time again, but you don't listen.

The WHY AND WHEN:

Genesis 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. he had done in creation.

The SABBATH (7th day of the week) was established at Creation in Genesis 2. WHEN the Sabbath is has never been changed, since Creation. What has changed is HOW it is observed because are NOT under the Law of Moses. Y'all need to understand that.

You are incorrect by saying that if we don't observe it as under the law we are not observing it at all. That is far from the Biblical truth.

[Vickilynn]

It is not a salvation issue, but the Sabbath still stands as the 7th day.

Shalom,

EXACTLY. And no, it is not a salvation issue, nor is it a command in the way it is being presented. It is not a SIN not to observe the Sabbath. It is G-d's plan and desire and example, but in no way are we bound by the Law to observe. It is a conviction of the heart, not a commandment to observe the Sabbath unto the L-rd.

[Vickilynn]

I believe it is a salvation issue.

Shalom Jemdude,

You are certainly free to believe what you wish, but I'm saying I don't believe the Bible supports that view.

Also, THAT is not the topic of this thread. When is the Sabbath is the topic, not how and not if it is a salvation issue.

Even if you don't agree with my viewpoint, at least understand it.

I DO understand it, completely and I completely disagree with it, based on the Scriptures.

I observe the 7th day Sabbath but in no way shape or form believe that it has anything to do with salvation. That just is not what the Scriptures say.

[other one]

Like most Jews and Adventists, the Sabbath is observed from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. In addition to having main worship services on the 7th day Sabbath, I abstain from work on the Sabbath and do no shopping on the Sabbath.

Thank you for answering the question. I would have to say then, that you are actually trying to keep the Sabbath.

I have a question, where does it say that we have a worship service on the sabbath?

Just by driving to church you are having the police work and EMT's in case someone has a wreck or falls down and hurts themselves. There are those working in the energy sector of the work force that have to work where we can have the water and heat or airconditioning in the church buildings and there are those making gasoline to replinish what we burn to go to and from churches.

I'm not convinced that you are actually carrying out an official Sabbath if you even leave your house. Do you turn on your furnace to stay warm...... you just kindeled a fire that is a capitol offense.

When someone in your church does some work do you stone them..... have to do the whole thing if any of it. How about picking up sticks...... that cost a man his life while out in the desert in the days of Moses.

I really don't think you are doing a true Sabbath..... but the new testament tells me that it is ok to do what you are doing, but it also says not to force it on everyone.

Sam

I'm going to have to say this. I don't agree with Jemdude's position, but I simply wanted him to clarify his position, and he politely did so. I feel like you took that opportunity to sandbag him, using my post as a jumping-off point. I don't much care for that. This isn't a salvation issue, so your acerbic tone is a little mis-placed. . .

Actually I used your post because I spicifically wanted your thoughts on the subject also. No sandbagging or anything else..... I think I got your thoughts and then some so I'm cool.

[other one]

It is not a salvation issue, but the Sabbath still stands as the 7th day.

Shalom,

EXACTLY. And no, it is not a salvation issue, nor is it a command in the way it is being presented. It is not a SIN not to observe the Sabbath. It is G-d's plan and desire and example, but in no way are we bound by the Law to observe. It is a conviction of the heart, not a commandment to observe the Sabbath unto the L-rd.

Thank you Vicky.

[Vickilynn]

And once again:

There is no end run around this scripture. The Sabbath was commanded to be observed by the Israelites. No one else. Period.

Shalom Cobalt,

And once again, this is incorrect. G-d made the Sabbath DAY holy before there were any Israelites. G-d decreed and instituted the Sabbath before the Law of Moses, this cannot be ignored although you keep trying. The Sabbath was instituted for ALL G-d's people who choose to follow Him and His example.

Please read the Scripture - G-d made the 7th DAY holy and He has never changed it.

Genesis 2

1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Secondly, as has already been pointed out on numerous occasions, in numerous threads on this very same subject: There is not one single command in the NT concerning the Sabbath. Not one.

G-d never rescinded what He did in Genesis. He never created another holy Sabbath day.

Christ fulfilled the Sabbath, and He is Lord of the Sabbath. It's not a difficult concept.

It MUST be a difficult concept obviously because so many Christians miss it and misinterpret it. Fulfill does not mean "end."

Jesus own words show that. Fulfill means to walk it out in front of us, to embody the Law, to live it perfectly.

From a Messianic response:

The word "fulfill" is a Jewish idiom, meaning to fill up to the brim and make complete