What to call those who dont know Jesus?

[ayin jade]

Ive noticed a trend for awhile now, to call those who do not know Jesus by terms that quite frankly seem too cutesy or PC to me. Among them are "pre-saved" and "not yet redeemed." Im curious what you all think about using terms like these instead of the lost or unbelievers. My view, as is already apparent, is that the terms are not something I agree with. It seems to assume that either everyone gets saved, or lessens the truth about their state before God. What are your thoughts? For those who use the terms, why do you use them? No judging here, Im just interested in this new trend Im seeing.

[mikhail7]

Some of this present day , as you put it "too cutesy PC" drivel is enough to make me gag. Jesus was never PC.

[OneLight]

I'm old school. Stick to the plain and simple, straight talk.

[traveller]

Me too, OneLight.

The new trend is taking too lightly the fallen condition of the unsaved. It's not something to smooth over or put a positive spin on. They need compassion, but not "cutsey."

[Guest]

One Or The Other

He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth

Luke 11:23

In The Lord Or In The Fire

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned

John 15:6

Either Believe Or Be Condemned

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

John 3:16-18

Maybe Today Or Maybe Never

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

Revelation 22:11-13

[nebula]

Well, I can see someone using those terms as a statement of faith. That's the only reason I can think of.

[MeCajunboy]

Ive noticed a trend for awhile now, to call those who do not know Jesus by terms that quite frankly seem too cutesy or PC to me. Among them are "pre-saved" and "not yet redeemed." Im curious what you all think about using terms like these instead of the lost or unbelievers. My view, as is already apparent, is that the terms are not something I agree with. It seems to assume that either everyone gets saved, or lessens the truth about their state before God. What are your thoughts? For those who use the terms, why do you use them? No judging here, Im just interested in this new trend Im seeing.

I think I see what you're saying Ayin. WhaT I believe you're eluding to is that fact that we cannot call one who may someday want to persue God a Non-believer because in all fairness, what if that person converts or finds God tomorrow? But we do know that a person who blieves and acknowledges God and His Word and follows God's Commands, to be a believer. Is this where you basically going with your question?

[Trusting Jesus]

I'm not very politically correct, and this sounds a bit "new age" to me. If someone doesn't know Jesus, well that is very sad, but they are lost.

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Nathele

[patricia1]

we water down things to make it more palateable, including thw word and such. It gets me tiffed?( thats a cutsey word.) Lol.

I am hard core when it comes to people who are sinners.

The condition of the unregenerative people I do not believe in makeing it softer, so they can swallow our message easier but perhaps christians in sin want to make a distiction. If it walks like a duck, quacks like ad duck eats like a duck..swims like a duck do we call it anything else...( some nearsighted may call it a duckling...but I am sure someone will correct them)

[ayin jade]

Ive noticed a trend for awhile now, to call those who do not know Jesus by terms that quite frankly seem too cutesy or PC to me. Among them are "pre-saved" and "not yet redeemed." Im curious what you all think about using terms like these instead of the lost or unbelievers. My view, as is already apparent, is that the terms are not something I agree with. It seems to assume that either everyone gets saved, or lessens the truth about their state before God. What are your thoughts? For those who use the terms, why do you use them? No judging here, Im just interested in this new trend Im seeing.

I think I see what you're saying Ayin. WhaT I believe you're eluding to is that fact that we cannot call one who may someday want to persue God a Non-believer because in all fairness, what if that person converts or finds God tomorrow? But we do know that a person who blieves and acknowledges God and His Word and follows God's Commands, to be a believer. Is this where you basically going with your question?

Actually no. I call them lost or unbelievers because in their current state they are just that: lost and unbelieving. What I find to be a disturbing trend is when Christians refer to those who do not have Jesus, who are not headed for heaven in their current state of unbelief, as "pre-saved" or "not yet redeemed." Ive heard them use those terms to the lost people they are talking to, as well as in general discussions with other believers when they talk about witnessing etc. Jesus certainly didnt use that kind of term. They were lost, they are not children of God. They are tares. So too was I, until I came to salvational faith.

Is this part of the seeker sensitive movement? Is it part of the emergent church?