Christian Rock, Hip-Hop of the Devil?

[healingoil]

I stumbled across an article that was titled 'TobyMac Exposed! (Sings Devil's music in Jesus' name)'

Link: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%...mac_exposed.htm

I wanna know your guys take on this, do you think Christian hip-hop and rock music satanic, which includes artist like, tobyMac, dc Talk, LeCrae, Kutless, Relient K, etc..What do you guys think? If so, then I guess I'm *******. lol But I was taught, God is very excepting and if you have a hip-hop style, he will still except you..

When I read the verse 1 Samuel 16:7 (But the Lord said to Samuel,

[WillingToDie]

There is playing the timbrels for a ungodly lusty response and playing them for God. A animaliostic sexual beat is not what I would call Godly....Music should come from the heart and depending where and who's heart it is depends whether I would call it christian or not. Do you know there is a well known composition out there that absolutely no muscician will play? Many have died during its playing of it.

Ephesians 5:19

Yeah, I take it you're not familiar with most rock music. There's nothing animalistic about the beats, nor is there anything particularly sexual sbout the beats themselves. And what if the rock music is coming from the heart, and it's being played for God? What then?

And can you produce the name of this "well known" piece of music? If it's well known, surely someone would know the name of it.

[jesussaves]

I really didn't intend to "open a can of worms". I happen to love music, especially music that glorifies the Lord. However, when I see and hear many gospel groups today, all I see and hear is an immitation of what is accepted by the world. We don't go to the house of the Lord to be entertained. Holy ground is to be reverenced. The house of prayer Jesus was so passionate about is still supposed to be just that. I heard someone say once that these aren't meant to be spiritual events...just a fun time of praise so to speak. ??? I believe we are to live in this world as lights. When we start to dress in provocative garments, shake our booties to the sounds of sensual tunes to words that are supposed to be spiritual (but who can hear them anyway) we go to the Lord and ask Him to guide us. Our gospel groups and singers who preform and do music videos, etc.. are surrounded by the influence of the world. They could use our prayers and people who love them enough to not tickle their ears.

A singer I loved to hear when I was first saved is Carmen. He had this one song called A Little Bit More Conviction that I think was right on the mark.

Music can be sensual and fleshly. A question we can ask ourselves on the matter...does what I listen to glorify the Lord? Does what I wear glorify the Lord? Can the world tell I am different? Or do they see someone that looks the same as they do? Does the Holy Spirit need us to compromise with the ways of the world to bring people to Christ...are we that good seed, planted by a holy God? I have seen some wonderful, godly musicians do a change lately. Holy women of God putting on tight jeans and low cut tops. Godly men looking as if they are going to do a strip routine.(not like David) None of this is of God. Satan loves this kind of junk. A little leaven is all it takes to leaven the whole lump.

When King David danced with all his might through the streets before the Lord he was doing a love dance! He was dancing in the Spirit rejoicing at the wonderful Lord we have. He was not trying to entertain anyone. He was worshiping a holy God who deserved to be praised with all his heart. That is the real deal. That is what we need to model for our generation to pass on to the next. Uncompromised worship that our God enters in with us. When the Holy Spirit puts a dance in your feet people might ask at first "Are they drunk"! Cause the joy of the Lord is something that draws people and that anointing sets them free. That is what true worship does.

"Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.

For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. "

[artsylady]

OH MY!!!! How did you ever make it to the smoke? Once the guy took his jacket off you should have known trouble was coming!

It could be a problem if someone is physically harmed by the swinging jacket. Did he swing the jacket around in attempts to harm those standing around him?

And there must be a verse somewhere in the Bible against the use of dry ice.

[artsylady]

Music should be different as a believer is different from a nonbeliever. I do not like when christian music sounds like worldly music.

You mean like the good old hymns sung in church?

Did you know that the melodies for many of those hymns used to be sung in bars by patrons, and that only the lyrics were changed to Christian ones?

[artsylady]

There is playing the timbrels for a ungodly lusty response and playing them for God.

Check out some Toby Mac lyrics and find where they are 'lusty' and then you'll have an entire audience of Christians who will fully agree with you. Toby Mac's songs are about Jesus.

A animaliostic sexual beat is not what I would call Godly....

Animaliostic sexual beat? Like the kind of beat animals use ?

Music should come from the heart and depending where and who's heart it is depends whether I would call it christian or not. Do you know there is a well known composition out there that absolutely no muscician will play? Many have died during its playing of it.

I'd like to know more about that.

[bison.78]

well said, jesussaves.

music follows the heart of its author. King David was a man after Gods own heart. in first Sam we read: And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him. Heres scriptual proof that music can free someone from demonic oppression. And conversely, music can, depending on the heart behind it, cause demonic strongholds.

In the mystical interpertation of Ezekiel 28, the King of Tyre is likened to Lucifer or satan. verse 13 says " Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." The bible also makes mention of it again in Isaiah. Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Satan is a musician still, and uses music as a primary tool to set up demonic strongholds.

Music Genres are not all bad, but the origins of Hip-Hop and Rock are anti-christ. Hip-Hop is not a type of music...it is a type of religion. The doctrine of Hip-Hop says that there is no Jesus Christ and that the black man is God....borrowed from the 5 percent Nation of Gods and Earth doctrine (which is self deification). The meaning of Rock n Roll originally is to fornicate.

Satan is looking for ways to infiltrate the church....he doesnt care about the world. He already has them.

God desires for His people to be different in every way from the world, not to see how close we can get to the fence. My bible tells me to " Love not the world..." and if I do " the love of the Father is not in me".

2nd Cor 6:17 states " Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"......how can you have Holy Hip-Hop? thats an oxymoron.

If you dont believe that music can cause demonic activity, explain the ever increasing violence played out at Hip Hop and Hard Rock clubs.

Who is our allegiance to, Jesus Christ or our favorite christian Rocker/Rapper?

visit www.exministries.com or www.nomoreministries.com

[artsylady]

Do you realize that many of the melodies of the old hymns merely had the lyrics changed to Christian ones?

[artsylady]

music follows the heart of its author.

Absolutely. Do YOU know the heart of the authors of Christian hip hop? Do words of "Jesus died for you" and "Jesus is the way" give you a hint?

King David was a man after Gods own heart. in first Sam we read: And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him. Heres scriptual proof that music can free someone from demonic oppression. And conversely, music can, depending on the heart behind it, cause demonic strongholds.

So did the evil spirit enter Saul because of the rock and roll music that he listened to?

In the mystical interpertation of Ezekiel 28, the King of Tyre is likened to Lucifer or satan. verse 13 says " Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." The bible also makes mention of it again in Isaiah. Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Satan is a musician still, and uses music as a primary tool to set up demonic strongholds.

Yes, satan is the father of lies and destruction. He has many songwriters and musicians out there who are leading flocks astray.

Music Genres are not all bad, but the origins of Hip-Hop and Rock are anti-christ. Hip-Hop is not a type of music...it is a type of religion. The doctrine of Hip-Hop says that there is no Jesus Christ and that the black man is God....borrowed from the 5 percent Nation of Gods and Earth doctrine (which is self deification).

I don't know about hip hop being a religion - never heard that. If songwriters are changing this and glorifying God through lyrics then it's no difference than songwriters 200 years ago, using the melodies of songs used in bars to glorify God. These are probably the same kinds of melodies that you favor today, right?

The meaning of Rock n Roll originally is to fornicate.

I don't know what it originally meant, but it doesn't mean that anymore.

[WillingToDie]

I really didn't intend to "open a can of worms". I happen to love music, especially music that glorifies the Lord. However, when I see and hear many gospel groups today, all I see and hear is an immitation of what is accepted by the world. We don't go to the house of the Lord to be entertained. Holy ground is to be reverenced. The house of prayer Jesus was so passionate about is still supposed to be just that. I heard someone say once that these aren't meant to be spiritual events...just a fun time of praise so to speak. ??? I believe we are to live in this world as lights. When we start to dress in provocative garments, shake our booties to the sounds of sensual tunes to words that are supposed to be spiritual (but who can hear them anyway) we go to the Lord and ask Him to guide us. Our gospel groups and singers who preform and do music videos, etc.. are surrounded by the influence of the world. They could use our prayers and people who love them enough to not tickle their ears.

A singer I loved to hear when I was first saved is Carmen. He had this one song called A Little Bit More Conviction that I think was right on the mark.

Music can be sensual and fleshly. A question we can ask ourselves on the matter...does what I listen to glorify the Lord? Does what I wear glorify the Lord? Can the world tell I am different? Or do they see someone that looks the same as they do? Does the Holy Spirit need us to compromise with the ways of the world to bring people to Christ...are we that good seed, planted by a holy God? I have seen some wonderful, godly musicians do a change lately. Holy women of God putting on tight jeans and low cut tops. Godly men looking as if they are going to do a strip routine.(not like David) None of this is of God. Satan loves this kind of junk. A little leaven is all it takes to leaven the whole lump.

When King David danced with all his might through the streets before the Lord he was doing a love dance! He was dancing in the Spirit rejoicing at the wonderful Lord we have. He was not trying to entertain anyone. He was worshiping a holy God who deserved to be praised with all his heart. That is the real deal. That is what we need to model for our generation to pass on to the next. Uncompromised worship that our God enters in with us. When the Holy Spirit puts a dance in your feet people might ask at first "Are they drunk"! Cause the joy of the Lord is something that draws people and that anointing sets them free. That is what true worship does.

"Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.

For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. "

A few of things here: Why must we separate having fun with worshiping God? If I want to worship God while rocking out, why shouldn't I be able to? To quote Disturbed: "Let me enlighten you, this is the way I pray"

Second, there is nothing sensual about most rock music today, especially not when you get in to things like Heavy Metal and Punk.

Third, who's to say that when a Rock musician, say, takes off his jacket, or dances around stage, that he's not doing the same thing David did. You're applying double standards and assuming the worst. In philosophy, we have what's called "The Principle of Charity", where you give the best possible interpretation to your opponent. Perhaps we could learn something from that.

well said, jesussaves.

[1]music follows the heart of its author. King David was a man after Gods own heart. in first Sam we read: And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him. Heres scriptual proof that music can free someone from demonic oppression. And conversely, music can, depending on the heart behind it, cause demonic strongholds.

In the mystical interpertation of Ezekiel 28, the King of Tyre is likened to Lucifer or satan. verse 13 says " Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." The bible also makes mention of it again in Isaiah. Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Satan is a musician still, and uses music as a primary tool to set up demonic strongholds.

[2]Music Genres are not all bad, but the origins of Hip-Hop and Rock are anti-christ. Hip-Hop is not a type of music...it is a type of religion. The doctrine of Hip-Hop says that there is no Jesus Christ and that the black man is God....borrowed from the 5 percent Nation of Gods and Earth doctrine (which is self deification). The meaning of Rock n Roll originally is to fornicate.

Satan is looking for ways to infiltrate the church....he doesnt care about the world. He already has them.

God desires for His people to be different in every way from the world, not to see how close we can get to the fence. My bible tells me to " Love not the world..." and if I do " the love of the Father is not in me".

2nd Cor 6:17 states " Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"......how can you have Holy Hip-Hop? thats an oxymoron.

[3]If you dont believe that music can cause demonic activity, explain the ever increasing violence played out at Hip Hop and Hard Rock clubs.

Who is our allegiance to, Jesus Christ or our favorite christian Rocker/Rapper?

visit www.exministries.com or www.nomoreministries.com

1. I echo artsylady here: Do you know the heart of Christian rock/hip-hop artists? I would think that if you would take the time to read their lyrics, you would have a good idea of what is in their hearts. And again, double standard: the effect of music is dependent on teh heart of the person who makes it, unless it's rock music or hip-hop.

2.Wow. Just wow. Hip-Hop culture may be anti-Christian, glorifying violence and materialism, but it's far from a religion. I don't where where this came from, but it's pretty out there.

As for 'Rock'n'Roll" meaning "to fornicate", that is a disputed etymology for the term. Rock music had its roots in the country music and blues, nothing anti-Christian about that. It has, by and large, been adapted into something that is anti-Christian, but that does not mean it cannot be reclaimed for the glory of God.

3. The violence can easily be explained: alcohol is served at these shows, and other drugs as well. People get violent when intoxicated.