Wearing Pants on Vistiation (aka, Soulwinning)

[Guest LadyC]

Some things are etched in stone. Some things need to be defended tooth and nail. No quarter should be asked or given. This is not one of those subjects. People hate to hear it, but it's legalism, and it's legalism of the worst kind. People are trying to short circuit the personal conviction process and turn church attendance into a bunch of do's and don'ts, and if that isn't legalism, I don't know what is. People are being judged on the item of clothing they are wearing, and it's wrong. You are presuming that you know why they are wearing a pair of pants when you have no idea why. We have freedom in Christ and it is freedom from this exact kind of thinking. If a man or woman is purposely dressing to appear as the opposite gender, they have way more severe spiritual problems that just what they are wearing. To transfer that onto any woman who wears a pair of slacks is painting every woman with a broad brush, and saying they are all trying to be like men and that line of thought is, as the Car Talk guys would say. . . B-O-o-O-G-U-S.

a big amen to that! to every word of it!

[BlindSeeker]

I have heard this before and totally dissagree. The verse is clearly speaking about cross dressing. The word geber was indeed translated to man, and the word means a valiant man or warrior as you stated. It also means a person simply: every one, man x mighty. It is also the same word that was used in Deuteronomy 22:8, which says "When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence." If one was to believe your conclusions were correct, it would only be a problem if a warrior were to fall from the roof, and not a common man. We know that is not the case . . .

I would be inclined to give your comments more credence if your statement about the word Hebrew

[Guest]

This Might (Or Not) Fit Into A Fashion Board Discussion

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[artsylady]

I see I've been misquoted again. If you want to know what I said in regards to the impression of skirts always/cults it is this.

That OTHERS might see it as cult-like strictness or that before I was a Christian I might have seen it like cult like strictness.

However, the more we talk about it though, the more I am seeing it as cult-like strictness. And the only church I'd ever heard of that ever made women wear dresses all of the time was a cult.

I noticed you simply don't want to let anyone know your denomination, so I'll assume you're in some independant wacky church.

Butero, you are well aware of the concept of legalism. Most legalistists will turn from their ways when shown their error but a true legalist that the devil has a true stronghold on his mind will continue to deny that the concept even exists.

I feel sorry for you, but more for all of those you come into contact with.

Now, what is suitable attire for swimming? A dress? Pants? A bathing suit? What does the gospel of Butero say?

[artsylady]

And before I am misquoted again, I do not think it is wrong for women to decide for themselves to wear skirts. It is their decision.

The problem is viewing it as a sin for other people.

It's strange how i have all of the patience in the world for the lost, the dying but when it comes to Christians who are repeatedly in error and pushing it on others i have none. Maybe God gives me none. Maybe he has none for them in this regard either.

[Guest LadyC]

butero, i stand by what i said. you are ACCUSING any woman who wears a pair of jeans or pants as SINNING by doing so, when the Bible does NOT support your accusation. that's pushing your view. on the flip side, i have NEVER said that wearing skirts is a sin, or anything of the sort. so no, i'm not pushing my views. i'm telling you that it is wrong for you to be making such accusations that are not supported biblically.

i lost credibility with you by saying "some" dresses are immodest? goodness. you lost credibility on this topic in my eyes long before that. if you can't tell the difference between a dress that is cut to the belly button or is so short that a woman's cheeks are in full view, and one that appropriately covers a woman's anatomy, then i don't know what to say.

the good news is, it's only on THIS issue that i find you to be lacking any credibility. on most issues, you and i generally agree. so no hard feelings on my part.

[artsylady]

I have all of the world of respect for Island Rose as I did for my own grandmother who was a modern mennonite who always wore a dress or a skirt and she never once said a thing about it to her daughters or granddaughters so I have to believe it was her own personal conviction, which I do respect, so please don't misquote us.

Cobalt - I have tried the 'take it to God' approach in yet the last thread about women wearing pants but I doubt it would do any good. I asked the legalists to pray for me. "Please God convict Arstylady of her wearing pants. Show her that wearing pants is a sin". If they were to even do this with sincerity, their hearts would change.

Some people just want to argue for the sake of it. I am pretty sure of it.

[Viribus Unitis]

I am absolutely, What are your positions on this matter?

[jackie d]

blah blah blah...18 pages of re-runs from every other thread that is started about women, modesty and what they should or should not wear and still(just as always) there has not been a middle ground reached....why am I not surprised?

Sometimes it is best just to keep out of these places. And this thread is a perfect example of lack of meat being fed to each other in this place. I'm sick to death of milk!

[Viribus Unitis]

blah blah blah...18 pages of re-runs from every other thread that is started about women, modesty and what they should or should not wear and still(just as always) there has not been a middle ground reached....why am I not surprised?

Sometimes it is best just to keep out of these places. And this thread is a perfect example of lack of meat being fed to each other in this place. I'm sick to death of milk!

Because it happens quite often. Some times I think James had a revelation about the net when he wrote his letter.