Astral Projection - Is it wrong?

[OneLight]

Cerebrus, with the questions and experiences of astro projection and lucid dreaming, do you see yourself as a New Age Christian?

[OneLight]

I've had several of these lucid dreams entirely "by accident" and I really have trouble believing that learning how to induce them on purpose is "evil".

I recovered from crippling knee and wrist pain entirely from using my thoughts and relieving repressed memories. This was after going to countless doctors giving me medicines and recommending even surgery (!). This was something I had to learn, an art if you will. (a book I came upon thanks I believe to my prayers to recover from the condition) Is this wrong too?

Maybe you can clarify this more for me. Are you saying that you healed yourself by some form of lucid dreaming or mind control?

[Trusting Jesus]

God has put your spirit in your body and that's where it needs to stay until He calls you home. You are dabbling in the occult and that is wrong. When you open this door into the spiritual world you are giving Satan a foothold, and a Christian needs to focus on Christ rather that occult matters. Why not spend your efforts learning God's word and search the Scriptures to see what God has to say about this.

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Nathele

[Guest man]

Having a lucid dream is not evil. Trying to control your dreams for the purpose of learning to consciously explore and use your dreams for self-discovery, creativity, fantasy fulfillment, emotional healing, and profound spiritual insights is where you get into spiritual danger. It is where New Age is taking it.

I really don't see the danger in any of this.

I mean the dreams would be my dreams. I'm not stealing them from anyone or projecting them into anyones head.

What's wrong with self-discovery, creativity, fantasy fulfillment, and emotional healing? As for spiritual insights, I get that from the Word and my day to day interactions with the world around me.

(I can direct you to the Scriptural basis and support for this if you would like.)

Maybe it's time for some scripture here. What does the Word say?

I don't remember reading anything that pertains to this. Maybe I did but wasn't paying attention.

[~~ angelique ~~]

sits to listen because I don't see what's wrong with it.

[OneLight]

Having a lucid dream is not evil. Trying to control your dreams for the purpose of learning to consciously explore and use your dreams for self-discovery, creativity, fantasy fulfillment, emotional healing, and profound spiritual insights is where you get into spiritual danger. It is where New Age is taking it.

I really don't see the danger in any of this.

I mean the dreams would be my dreams. I'm not stealing them from anyone or projecting them into anyones head.

What's wrong with self-discovery, creativity, fantasy fulfillment, and emotional healing? As for spiritual insights, I get that from the Word and my day to day interactions with the world around me.

(I can direct you to the Scriptural basis and support for this if you would like.)

Maybe it's time for some scripture here. What does the Word say?

I don't remember reading anything that pertains to this. Maybe I did but wasn't paying attention.

You won't find the words lucid dreaming, not new age, in the scripture, but they are here. I can no more bring in scripture to show you it is wrong then you can to show me it is right. You will, however, find false teaching in the scriptures. Tell me, why would a Christian need to find out more of their "self" when they have laid their "self" down for the Lord? Isn't "fantasy fulfillment" not being satisfied with where God has placed you? "Emotional healing" would also mean that you are not trusting God to help and that you do not have the fruit of the Spirit, which are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

Tell me, how is this honoring God? This is seeking through New Age what God has already given you.

[nebula]

It's one thing to be in a dream, realize you are in a dream, and intentionally or unintentionally directing change.

It's another to play with power - the art of lucid dreaming is crossing that line.

Why is it bad to be able to control ones thoughts?

Word semantics. Dreams are more than just "your thoughts." To think so if very atheistic. Dreams reveal the things of your heart (aka spirit) - thus making them a door to the spirit realm.

Dreams can also be messages from God.

They can also be ploys of Satan.

But they are of the spirit realm (after all, if you study the prophecies in Scripture, where the prophets describe what they say, you will notice that they look like the weird stuff you see in dreams).

I'm not trying to control anyone else. I'm not even making an effort to control mine....it just happens.

They're dreams.....where's the bad?

If the Lord meant to give you a message through a dream, and you changed the dream, where do you think the bad is?

[nebula]

I really don't understand this logic at all. . . .

Besides what I answered above, I need to ask you something?

Have you ever seen a demon?

[Guest man]

You won't find the words lucid dreaming, not new age, in the scripture, but they are here.

If you can't find reference to this in scripture, aren't you in fact making up a doctrine?

I can no more bring in scripture to show you it is wrong then you can to show me it is right.

I never said it was right, I never said it was wrong.....I just said it happens. I never asked for it...I never studied for it...I never prayed for it. I have a limited ability to control my dreams.....I don't see the sin there.

You will, however, find false teaching in the scriptures.

I'm sorry but you will not find false teaching in scripture. I'm sure you meant warnings against false teachings.

I don't believe I'm trying to push this on anyone. So if you're labeling me.....please don't.

Tell me, why would a Christian need to find out more of their "self" when they have laid their "self" down for the Lord?

Can you show me where this is a sin and not just your opinion?

Isn't "fantasy fulfillment" not being satisfied with where God has placed you?

It is to you, but not to me. Don't you have a thread that addresses your need for solitude? Are you not satisfied where God placed you?

Look, I really don't want to get into an argument over this....it's dumb.

Fantasy Fulfillment.....as long as I don't take it down that sexual road, I think I'll be ok.

If I can do things in my dreams that I can't in real life, where's the harm in that? Just because you think it's bad, does not make it bad.

"Emotional healing" would also mean that you are not trusting God to help and that you do not have the fruit of the Spirit, which are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

Have you ever been to the doctor? Have you ever taken asprin or something for a cold or flu? Have you ever been vaccinated? These might not fall under the heading of "Emotional Healing", but you still sought help from a source other than God. Did you not have the fruit of the Spirit or am I just being nitpicky?

Tell me, how is this honoring God?

Tell me how you honor God in your sleep?

This is seeking through New Age what God has already given you.

How do you know these are not God given abilities? I'm not saying they are, but how can you say they're not?

You make the assumption that I'm into this New Age thing. I've got over 2000 posts on these boards. Go and read'em. You won't find an inkling of this "New Age" theology you speak of.

As I said before, I don't try to do what I do....it just comes to me. I don't ask for it, I don't pray for it, I don't go looking for ways to enhance my sleeping experience.....it's just there.

Check this out...

Acts 2

16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

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[Guest man]

If the Lord meant to give you a message through a dream, and you changed the dream, where do you think the bad is?

You're assuming that I'm making movies in my head and that I can't tell the difference between good and evil.

There is a difference between visions and dreams.....trust me......I know.