Job

[Jacqueline]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding how God use Job to make a point to Satan. Does He still do that? Place people in situation that would break someone else only to show Satan that no matter what His child goes through they will be not turn away from Him? I'm asking this question even though I do know that God doesn't change.

[larryt]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding how God use Job to make a point to Satan. Does He still do that? Place people in situation that would break someone else only to show Satan that no matter what His child goes through they will be not turn away from Him? I'm asking this question even though I do know that God doesn't change.

Hi Jacqueline,

I don't think that God was making a point to Satan. Satan has already made his choices and will end up in the lake of fire. The book of Job is for us, His children. Just as Job's trials were to refine Job. Job was "perfect" in all that he knew at the start of the Book. That does not mean that Job was without fault. In the end Job renounced his pride after being confronted with the God he only knew about but knew in fact at the end.

Job 42:3 Who [is] he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

Job 42:4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Like Job many know about God, but a few Know God. In the end Job really Knew God as He really is. The book of Job is not about making a point to a defeated foe but us knowing the True and Living God for who He is.

LT

[EricH]

We don't know all of the reasons that God allowed what he did into Job's life. But the promise of Romans 8 still holds today regardless of what God allows us to experience:

We know that all things work together for the good of those who love God: those who are called according to His purpose.

Romans 8:28 HCSB

[WayneB]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding how God use Job to make a point to Satan. Does He still do that? Place people in situation that would break someone else only to show Satan that no matter what His child goes through they will be not turn away from Him? I'm asking this question even though I do know that God doesn't change.

God never used Job to make a point to Satan. God used Satan to bring Job into a closer relationship with HIMSELF.

Through his experience...

Job recognized his need for an arbitrator. [Job 9:33-35]

He realized the tremendous gulf (sin) between Man and God. Job needed a mediator. [1 Timothy 2:5]

Job realizes he has an advocate in heaven. [Job 16:19-22 and Psalm 73:23-26]

The Advocate must be righteous. He must be the compassionate friend of the sinner -- not of his sins, but of the sinner himself.

Job finds his redeemer. [Job 19:25-27] --- ...and His redeemer lives!

Job did not try to hide his despair and anguish. His trials never crushed all his hope. He trusted God to redeem him. God was his only hope. Not only does Job's redeemer (Jesus Christ) live but we will see God with our own eyes in the flesh!!!! Job came to realize though his experience that Jesus Christ, our redeemer, will stand on the earth, conquer death, restore our flesh (new bodies) and have a face-to-face relationship with the Father!!!

That's the story of Job, one that is the blueprint for God's plan for man's redemption from that which separates us from Him. We can all learn much from Job's example of TRUST and FAITH.

Romans 8:28

[Guest]

Amen!

[BlindSeeker]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding how God use Job to make a point to Satan. Does He still do that? Place people in situation that would break someone else only to show Satan that no matter what His child goes through they will be not turn away from Him? I'm asking this question even though I do know that God doesn't change.

IMHO, I believe that up until God was manifested in the flesh and justified in the spirit that God allowed Satan to approach His throne and ask such questions about why one should/would serve God. But since the judgment was forever openly settled against satan by the cross and he was cast out of heaven it is a closed case and does not need to be and therefore will not be repeated again in like manner.

[irishcowboy]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding how God use Job to make a point to Satan. Does He still do that? Place people in situation that would break someone else only to show Satan that no matter what His child goes through they will be not turn away from Him? I'm asking this question even though I do know that God doesn't change.

I am sure He would.......

do you know of anyone that is totally upright in the Lord, as Job was? some one not corrupt? some one that lives their life totally for God? I do not personally know of one like that.... a rich man, with everything a man could ever want, health, wealth, family and GOD most of all.....

how many men do you know that have started out with Family, Health and Wealth, that has lost everything in just a day, except his contentious wife and compassionless friends, and remain faithful to the Lord?

I have knows of some that seemed to have it all, but when something happened, they did not fall to God.....

mike

[Larry 2]

Hi all,

I have a question regarding how God use Job to make a point to Satan. Does He still do that? Place people in situation that would break someone else only to show Satan that no matter what His child goes through they will be not turn away from Him? I'm asking this question even though I do know that God doesn't change.

Quoting Jacqueline - I have a question regarding how God use Job to make a point to Satan. Does He still do that?

Response by larry2 - Dear Sister Jackueline, we read in Job 1:8: "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" How are we perfect? Only in God and Job was just that. God had nothing against him so what happened was not because Job deserved it. Does God still do that you ask? Yes.

We read of the following coming events to happen in heaven during the tribulation if you believe there is a coming tribulation. Now notice that Satan is kicked out of heaven in Verse 9, and we see what Satan is presently doing at this present time, and that is accusing us before God.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Job said of this event in Job 23:10: "But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold." Elihu as representing God tells Job in Job 34:36. "My desire is that Job may be tried unto the end," or we might say until he is fully tested. We read in 1 Peter 4:12: "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you." And the reason? 1 Peter 1:7. "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ." Jacqueline, God is allowing Satan to test our faith just as He allowed Job to be tested, but what is it that Job found in all that? Blessings.

May God bless you mightily in the testing of your faith in Jesus' name - larry2

[Ningning]

Job's trials were'nt ordinary, because his faith was something that has caught the heart of God. The Word of God said, "that man was perfect". Job 1:1

God asked Satan, [He called him SATAN] "hast thou considered my servant Job? Satan may have brought accusations to God, seeing Job living the godly life because he has everything.

God wanted to make a point there. "There is none like him in the earth..." Job 1: 8 God was pleased with Job's heart.

Two-fold:

1. To show Satan that Job is the Lord's property. Job's life is hid in God, no matter what happens.

The waves can toss and turn the ship, we can get bumps and get weary with the tossing and turning but we cannot drown. We are safe inside the ship because the Master is with us.

2. To perfect His work in the life of Job. To achieve perfection Job will have to through the "Refiner's Fire". God, though He knows the way that Job takes, has to try him. He wants a genuine heart-cry and humble worshp, for we are dust compared to the magnitude of God.

God was ready to open His heart to Job through the fire of suffering.

Fire burns our pride, our self-sufficiency.

Fire burns our human tendencies, exposes our weakness. Fire strips us of the unnecessary things that hinder our worship to God. He wants us to come to Him simply as we can. Trials then, makes us see who we are, and the greatness of God.

We want God to open His heart to us, and human nature complains "I can't bear it". It is not meant that we should bear it with our own strength.

So if we plead to the Lord to open His heart to us that we may see, expect that the way is only through the fire. The fire is a "gentle" mask because you cannot stand God's glory in the flesh.

Are you ready?

[KC02]

Job is a type of Hebrew poetry-- it always reminds me of a play. In fact, you could use the book of Job as a play without any modification.

The book is deep enough that every Christian may get a different message; however, this is what stands out to me:

1)Job was righteous

2)He believed God, even when things were bad

3)Bad things happened to good people, unlike what most of his friends were thinking

4)Job wanted a day in court with God. Surely in the end, God would see his affliction is unjust.

5)Job learned a lot about God during his trial

Job never knew WHY he was afflicted, as do we. And he never knew of the dialog between our Lord and the enemy, our accuser.

We never do, either.