When Does The Tribulation Begin in the Book of Revelation

[Celt]

I'm going to revert back to my original question on this, but with a twist.

Why are people insisting that the Great Tribulation begins with the Anti-Christ?

You see, when I read the book of Revelation, I see the Tribulation of the End of the End of Days to be a product of and guided by the Lord's hand.

Yet, in discussing the Trib, I see everyone focused on the Evil One and not on the Lord.

Why is that?

It's because of our Lord's Olivet Discourse...

Matt 24:21-24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

(KJV)

The phrase "false Christs" is the single word 'pseudochristos' in the Greek, and means 'a pseudo Christ'. To our day, there has never been a false Christ to work the "great signs and wonders" on such a level that would almost deceive His "very elect". It's about one coming to do miracles on the earth so powerful, it will cause the majority to be fooled into thinking that pseudo Christ is God (2 Thess.2, what the "strong delusion" is about). Our Lord Jesus connected that event with that "great tribulation" timing.

God allows that, and Christ's servants are not to fear it, but to make a stand for Him prepared with the Gospel armour (Eph.6).

[trish55011]

to best understand the book of revelation, one must also understand the old testament. the old testament is full of pictures/types and shadows just as revelation is

now the tribulations will last 7 years 3.5 of which will b a time of "peace" and then the great tribulation the last 3.5 years. the great tribulation or the last 3.5 years is set to begin when the treaty is signed. no one knows the day that will happen.

in Christ

trish

[Massorite]

I'm going to revert back to my original question on this, but with a twist.

Why are people insisting that the Great Tribulation begins with the Anti-Christ?

You see, when I read the book of Revelation, I see the Tribulation of the End of the End of Days to be a product of and guided by the Lord's hand.

Yet, in discussing the Trib, I see everyone focused on the Evil One and not on the Lord.

Why is that?

I focus on the arrival of the antichrist and the tribulation because that is what God teaches us. I know that God is going to be going through the whole thing with me and He says for me not to be taken by surprise or to be deceived by the coming events. I focus on the antichrist, the tribulation, and the building of the new Jewish temple because I know that the sooner these prophecies come to pass the sooner Jesus will be coming take us. I am always focused on God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit of God. I am looking forward to the arrival of the antichrist because at that point I will know that my time here on this earth is very short.

[kross]

I'm going to revert back to my original question on this, but with a twist.

Why are people insisting that the Great Tribulation begins with the Anti-Christ?

You see, when I read the book of Revelation, I see the Tribulation of the End of the End of Days to be a product of and guided by the Lord's hand.

Yet, in discussing the Trib, I see everyone focused on the Evil One and not on the Lord.

Why is that?

Because many Christians will not accept the fact that it is GOD who has put these things in motion and that The Great Tribulation is HIS plan. Therefore, it makes little sense to speak of GOD in the midst of something that you do not attribute to GOD.

It is like the arguement that GOD would not allow HIS people to go through the tribulation because it is a time of "wrath". Yet, if you were in one of the countries where Christians are being killed and imprisoned by the 100,000s, you would certainly not comprehend when people say GOD would not allow that to happen.

Once again, it all happens because it serves GOD's intention and purpose to HIS glory and majesty.

As I see it.

[nebula]

It's because of our Lord's Olivet Discourse...

Matt 24:21-24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

(KJV)

The phrase "false Christs" is the single word 'pseudochristos' in the Greek, and means 'a pseudo Christ'. To our day, there has never been a false Christ to work the "great signs and wonders" on such a level that would almost deceive His "very elect". It's about one coming to do miracles on the earth so powerful, it will cause the majority to be fooled into thinking that pseudo Christ is God (2 Thess.2, what the "strong delusion" is about). Our Lord Jesus connected that event with that "great tribulation" timing.

God allows that, and Christ's servants are not to fear it, but to make a stand for Him prepared with the Gospel armour (Eph.6).

So, do you read Revelation as "the revelation of the Anti-Christ" rather than "the revelation of Jesus Christ"?

[nebula]

I focus on the arrival of the antichrist and the tribulation because that is what God teaches us. I know that God is going to be going through the whole thing with me and He says for me not to be taken by surprise or to be deceived by the coming events. I focus on the antichrist, the tribulation, and the building of the new Jewish temple because I know that the sooner these prophecies come to pass the sooner Jesus will be coming take us. I am always focused on God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit of God. I am looking forward to the arrival of the antichrist because at that point I will know that my time here on this earth is very short.

So, you keep your eyes on the wind and the waves to get to Jesus rather than keeping your eyes on Jesus?

[nebula]

Because many Christians will not accept the fact that it is GOD who has put these things in motion and that The Great Tribulation is HIS plan. Therefore, it makes little sense to speak of GOD in the midst of something that you do not attribute to GOD.

It is like the arguement that GOD would not allow HIS people to go through the tribulation because it is a time of "wrath". Yet, if you were in one of the countries where Christians are being killed and imprisoned by the 100,000s, you would certainly not comprehend when people say GOD would not allow that to happen.

Once again, it all happens because it serves GOD's intention and purpose to HIS glory and majesty.

As I see it.

[jesta]

I'm going to revert back to my original question on this, but with a twist.

Why are people insisting that the Great Tribulation begins with the Anti-Christ?

You see, when I read the book of Revelation, I see the Tribulation of the End of the End of Days to be a product of and guided by the Lord's hand.

Yet, in discussing the Trib, I see everyone focused on the Evil One and not on the Lord.

Why is that?

it is allowed by god hence he forwarned us of events that are to take place if we concentrate on the evil side of it it allows us to naturally see when its occurance will arrive its a sign to those who allready believe in christ and his coming for we are allready aware of it, for he comes as a thief in the night blessed is he who watches and is not caught unaware see if we focus on what we cant see without god we would never know so its meant to be that way so all can prepare for his coming

[jesta]

The thing the Church is missing is that the whole siege of Jerusalem WAS the tribulation to which Jesus referred. By trying to extrapolate the events of that time into the future, we open ourselves to all sorts of confusion. The same thing with the so-called antichrist. Antichrist is not a who: It's a WHAT. See 1st John. He defines antichrist very well. It's not a man, it's a spirit, a demonic entity which filled the Gnostics who claimed that Jesus was not a man. It has nothing to do with eschatology whatsoever, but Christology.

God operates in history. He doesn't leave 'gaps' in time. He sometimes has His prophets and apostles use allegories/metaphors to describe things that will or have happened. That doesn't make Scripture any less powerful.

ah actually read in revelation it states let him who has wisdom calculate the mark of the beast is the number of a man his number is 666 and yes satan is behind it all its in revelation it refears to the beast that decieves the whole world that dragon of old the devil and satan working through a man to decieve the nations dont be fooled read all rev for yourself the tribulation isnt that, of jeruselem but is to come it clearly points out the things that will happen in sequence with natural disasters wars rumours of wars famines earhquakes etc increasing and the coming of the lord all will know for it will happen loudly and openly for jesus will come with the voice of a mighty arch angel who will be able to stand the day of the lords wrath

[nebula]

it is allowed by god hence he forwarned us of events that are to take place if we concentrate on the evil side of it it allows us to naturally see when its occurance will arrive its a sign to those who allready believe in christ and his coming for we are allready aware of it, for he comes as a thief in the night blessed is he who watches and is not caught unaware see if we focus on what we cant see without god we would never know so its meant to be that way so all can prepare for his coming

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