When Does The Tribulation Begin in the Book of Revelation

[BlindSeeker]

It's hard to argue against such compelling evidence.

Response to Xan - I'm very sorry to see this type of sarcasm or mockery, and on top of that I did not believe that we were arguing by just presenting our views of what we believe. The reason I did not answer in your expected time frame to start with is that I somehow missed the response of Blindseeker, as I do try to respond to all posts. I attempt to research and use scripture to substantiate what I say or I wouldn't believe it or say it.

Thanks for your opinion in the name of Jesus - larry2

I fail to see any

[Xan]

William, sarcasm is a foriegn language on these boards!

Thanks Xan, and though I believe your stance concerning these times of the tribulation is happening during our present time that I've represented here on this thread as a seven year period, I welcome your or anyone's elses input as to where all the different prophesies of days given fit into our present age if not in the seven years of tribulation I believe it to be.

Again, thanks in Jesus' name - larry2

Oh! Good question! I have an answer for that, but I'm merely taking a break from my studying right now and don't want to get too carried away into something serious at the moment (that's why I'm being playful), but if my brain is not completely fried, and if I can remember to do so, I want to come back and answer this question after my exam. Please grab my attention and remind me after the 6th if I don't get tempted to answer before then.

[BlindSeeker]

Now since there are 2300 days from the sacrifice being taken away, and the sacrifice being taken aways occurs 30 days prior to the seven years of tribulation which takes in consideration the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11. "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." This 1290 days are until the middle of the week. So the total days add up to 2550 days minus the 30 days prior to the tribulation equals 2520 days or the two halves of the tribulation. But then again taking into account the 2300 days starting from the time the sacrifice is taken away leaves us at a point 250 days prior to the end of the 2520 days. WOW - And then it gets deeper.

Just a little history . . .

Alexander the Great, the he goat of Daniel 8:5, entered the region between 334 -333 B.C. which 2300 years latter would place at 1966 -1967.

1967 was an important year inasmuch as the seven day war allowed Israel to regain control of the temple mount . . . .

Da 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

[Fraught]

larry, i tried to add reply to your reply to me, but something was wrong with the format, so i'll post it here.

the only thing is, larry, i have studied this extensively, almost to the point of memorizing all the answers you gave. most seem to me still to be speculation. some, of course, are spelled out in scripture but mixed with human speculation. this is why i am, and shall remain, clueless until the scriptures are opened just a little wider.

[Larry 2]

Josephus

[Larry 2]

William, sarcasm is a foriegn language on these boards!

Thanks Xan, and though I believe your stance concerning these times of the tribulation is happening during our present time that I've represented here on this thread as a seven year period, I welcome your or anyone's elses input as to where all the different prophesies of days given fit into our present age if not in the seven years of tribulation I believe it to be.

Again, thanks in Jesus' name - larry2

Oh! Good question! I have an answer for that, but I'm merely taking a break from my studying right now and don't want to get too carried away into something serious at the moment (that's why I'm being playful), but if my brain is not completely fried, and if I can remember to do so, I want to come back and answer this question after my exam. Please grab my attention and remind me after the 6th if I don't get tempted to answer before then.

Thanks Xan in Jesus' name - larry2

[Larry 2]

Now since there are 2300 days from the sacrifice being taken away, and the sacrifice being taken aways occurs 30 days prior to the seven years of tribulation which takes in consideration the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11. "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." This 1290 days are until the middle of the week. So the total days add up to 2550 days minus the 30 days prior to the tribulation equals 2520 days or the two halves of the tribulation. But then again taking into account the 2300 days starting from the time the sacrifice is taken away leaves us at a point 250 days prior to the end of the 2520 days. WOW - And then it gets deeper.

Just a little history . . .

Alexander the Great, the he goat of Daniel 8:5, entered the region between 334 -333 B.C. which 2300 years latter would place at 1966 -1967.

1967 was an important year inasmuch as the seven day war allowed Israel to regain control of the temple mount . . . .

Da 8:5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Question by larry2 - Since you are applying these 2300 days to years and come to 1966 0r 1967, when did Daniel 8:11-13 become fulfilled at that time where we see the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden underfoot? And is this taking away of the daily sacrifice in Daniel 8:11 the start of the 2520 days? In other words is this the point of the start of the tribulation to you? One other thing, where do you see scripture showing that these 2300 days are to be counted as years such as the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24?

Thanks in Jesus - larry2

Edited August 28, 2008 by Larry 2

[Larry 2]

larry, i tried to add reply to your reply to me, but something was wrong with the format, so i'll post it here.

the only thing is, larry, i have studied this extensively, almost to the point of memorizing all the answers you gave. most seem to me still to be speculation. some, of course, are spelled out in scripture but mixed with human speculation. this is why i am, and shall remain, clueless until the scriptures are opened just a little wider.

Thanks Fraught for trying, hopefully I didn't list something wrong and it may become more clear as we go though here.

In Jesus - larry2

[BlindSeeker]

I agree on what you have brought forth in this statement by Josephus; I stand corrected as to whether or not he was a Christian. Thanks for bringing this out though what he said is not scripture.

Really?

Which part?

The

[BlindSeeker]

Blindseeker quoting me - Unless I see proof that Rome was the people of the prince in Daniel 9:26 that was to destroy the city and the sanctuary, and even then I see no evidence of a covenant made with them like described in Daniel 9:27 I will continue with my present thinking that this is talking about a seven year tribulation with all this to happen in the midst of that week to come.

Quoting Blindseeker - First, if you ignore the history of the destruction of those to