Healing

[ayin jade]

..... Yet the church in general lives in lack and despair that is not what God wants for us. We are to be a an example of God's goodness to His children, so He will be glorified.

Personal pet peeve of mine. Only saved people are His children. The lost are not His children. John 1:12 But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name.

[Floatingaxe]

God does allow babies to be born with ills because we live on a cursed world. When Adam fell the world became cursed, so we are born a cursed people into a cursed world, but Jesus came and broke that curse, restoring us back into fellowship with our Father and ALL He has promised us. We accept Christ we accept His promises into our lives. I don't have to settle for the curses of this world. There are over ten thousand promises in the Word that I can claim as mine as a co-inheriter with Christ. Healing is one of them. How is God's children walking around with sickness and lack lifting up His name? We are to rule and reign as kings and priest. Jesus said that the kingdom of God is with in us, that means we have Royal dominion with in us. We are to be the head and not the tail. If I am not living in the promises that God has promised me, I am not living in royal dominion and I am not the head.

Oh, I have a huge AMEN for you here!

[kross]

Of course everything can be used for His glory. If someone triumphants thru a battle it's for His glory. If someone recieves their miraculous healing it's for His glory. But I refuse to believe, that my awesome, loving, Daddy, who would have still died on the cross just for me, if I was the only one who needed salvation, would be the same God that would say "Hey she needs to learn a little lesson, sock her with some horrible disease." Absolutely not. Let's remember the scripture Matt.7:11 "If you being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him." And yes I know all about where Paul said he rejoices in his infirminies, for where I am weak then He becomes strong.(For give Me if I misquoted). But God didn't sock him with those weaknesses, satan throws things at us to take our eyes off God and wallow in self pity, but Paul was teaching us to stand in our faith in these trials. So enough blabbing, point is satan controls this world, and God allows him certain authority, satan puts these illnesses on people, God is merciful and Just to heal all who fight thru that battle and believe in Him for their healing. By HIs stripes we were healed.

I am not sure who would have said that GOD socks people with disease. But you are correct, they come from Satan. Satan is under GOD's control. Everything has a purpose for a greater good that we can not understand.

[kross]

Two years ago, I was in the Word daily. I was walking a very close walk with God, and I was understanding a deeper meaning of His scriptures and how we truly have died with Christ, not in cliche' phrases, but as it is truly applied. While this was going on, my husband's depravity sunk to new lows, and horrible things were done to me as a result of his reprobate mind. He tried to push me into a lifestyle and community that is an abomination, but I resisted, and he became angry and verbally abusive. About that time, an endocrine illness I have had since childhood exacerbated, and over the next several months, I lost 20 pounds, and I lost my sanity (that is not uncommon with some endocrine problems). Eventually, my husband left me alone with our two children at a time when I could barely function because of my illness. God saw me through all of that, and even though my doctor didn't want to put me on medication, he was finally convinced it was the best thing for me. In the past year, God has blessed my socks off in ways I could never imagine. I live in a much nicer house in a better neighborhood with better schools for my children, and I have better financial security than I did in the smaller house with the children's father. I have a job that allows me total freedom over my schedule so I can be home for my children. My health is better than it has ever been. I am engaged to a man with a deep devotion for God and me, and who also has a masters in divinity (that's icing on the cake for a woman who loves Bible study.)

This is the important thing to know in all of this: The Lord knew what was about to happen. He could have healed me to make it easier to deal with my children's father. He even could have revealed Himself to my then husband and convicted him mightily on his behavior. But the Lord, in His great wisdom opted not to do those things. Instead, He brought me closer to Him than I had ever been right before all those horrible things happened. He knew I would need the grace to survive the coming year. I don't know about you, but I see more love and more grace in knowing what He brought me through than any healing could have done. And I believe this is a stronger testimony that gives Him even greater glory.

I could care less about walking in victory. What matters to me is honoring God in everything I do. I'm not perfect- far from it, but I am so grateful I can rest in our Lord and that His grace is sufficient for me to live as He wills.

I could give a testimony as well, but you made the point brilliantly. And PRAISE GOD FOR IT

[kross]

Time and again we see in the New Testament Jesus heal many and tell them their faith has made them whole. Yes God does work thru these circumstances for His ultimate glory, but Jesus healed all who came to Him.

Do you know the answer to the OP? Why doesn't He now?

JESUS healed to prove who HE was to people who saw HIM in the flesh to glorify HIS FATHER. The holy spirit draws and saves people now, the miracles are not needed to glorify GOD in the same way. In other countries where Christianity is new, the miracles are much more prevalent

When you are surrendered to GOD's will, then you understand that there is ministry in illness. Plus the church has strayed so far from the truth that GOD, in all holiness and with clear conscience, can not grant the prayers of the righteous because they are not very righteous.

If you surrender to God's will, that means you surrender to His word, "His word is His will".

And if you know the word, you,ll know God doesn't want anyone sick. So how can you understand there is a ministry in illness. If your ill, Get healed and give glory to God. NOW THAT IS A MINISTRY.

And all the christians who have been sick and died, died outside of the will of GOD. Not a sparrow falls for the sky outside of the will of GOD, how much more important than they are you?

Edited August 29, 2008 by kross

[Xan]

This is the important thing to know in all of this: The Lord knew what was about to happen. He could have healed me to make it easier to deal with my children's father. He even could have revealed Himself to my then husband and convicted him mightily on his behavior. But the Lord, in His great wisdom opted not to do those things. Instead, He brought me closer to Him than I had ever been right before all those horrible things happened. He knew I would need the grace to survive the coming year. I don't know about you, but I see more love and more grace in knowing what He brought me through than any healing could have done. And I believe this is a stronger testimony that gives Him even greater glory.

Amen! All things for the glory of God! With my own illness I have always felt that God allowed it all to happen knowing full well the way I was going I would never listen to His calling to me. Do I think God caused my illness?, honestly there are times I do but in all reality He just used the illness to teach me that I needed Him in my life. I also have never asked for my own healing I know that I can and He may heal me but I am just fine with my life and what God has done in it even if I can't get out and drive myself to the store!

I so agree with what you wrote especially the words I underlined.

Thank you, Mizzdy.

[kross]

God does allow babies to be born with ills because we live on a cursed world. When Adam fell the world became cursed, so we are born a cursed people into a cursed world, but Jesus came and broke that curse, restoring us back into fellowship with our Father and ALL He has promised us. We accept Christ we accept His promises into our lives. I don't have to settle for the curses of this world. There are over ten thousand promises in the Word that I can claim as mine as a co-inheriter with Christ. Healing is one of them. How is God's children walking around with sickness and lack lifting up His name? We are to rule and reign as kings and priest. Jesus said that the kingdom of God is with in us, that means we have Royal dominion with in us. We are to be the head and not the tail. If I am not living in the promises that God has promised me, I am not living in royal dominion and I am not the head.

Hmmmm......I thought only Christ was the head of the Body.

I'm sure your not purposly misinterpreting what I meant. Christ is the head of the church.

I'm not purposefully misinterpreting, I just don't know what you mean by "We are to be the head not the tail."

God wants us to walk in victory. He wants His church to be ahead of the world, to be the top not the bottom. He's called us to victorious living. Yet the church in general lives in lack and despair that is not what God wants for us. We are to be a an example of God's goodness to His children, so He will be glorified.

The greatest gift GOD ever gave me was poverty. Having to rely on HIM for my daily bread each day.

I truely vicorious are those who praise JESUS from their lack. That is why HE has chosen the foolish of the world, HE has chosen the weak, HE ha chosen those that society would not.

Real victorious living does nto come from being healed or rich or in a position of not suffering, real victorious living is trusting GOD when nothing is going right and you have no external reason to trust HIM. Real victorious living comes from praising HIM in the midst of the storm and being fully surrendered to HIS will that is done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Understanding that GOD is soveriegn and all powerful and that nothing in your life is out of HIS will or plan. I would rather die sick and poor than have my reward here on Earth.

Luke 6:24 "But woe to you who are rich, for you have recieved your consolation".

[Xan]

God does allow babies to be born with ills because we live on a cursed world. When Adam fell the world became cursed, so we are born a cursed people into a cursed world, but Jesus came and broke that curse, restoring us back into fellowship with our Father and ALL He has promised us. We accept Christ we accept His promises into our lives. I don't have to settle for the curses of this world. There are over ten thousand promises in the Word that I can claim as mine as a co-inheriter with Christ. Healing is one of them. How is God's children walking around with sickness and lack lifting up His name? We are to rule and reign as kings and priest. Jesus said that the kingdom of God is with in us, that means we have Royal dominion with in us. We are to be the head and not the tail. If I am not living in the promises that God has promised me, I am not living in royal dominion and I am not the head.

Hmmmm......I thought only Christ was the head of the Body.

I'm sure your not purposly misinterpreting what I meant. Christ is the head of the church.

I'm not purposefully misinterpreting, I just don't know what you mean by "We are to be the head not the tail."

God wants us to walk in victory. He wants His church to be ahead of the world, to be the top not the bottom. He's called us to victorious living. Yet the church in general lives in lack and despair that is not what God wants for us. We are to be a an example of God's goodness to His children, so He will be glorified.

The greatest gift GOD ever gave me was poverty. Having to rely on HIM for my daily bread each day.

I truely vicorious are those who praise JESUS from their lack. That is why HE has chosen the foolish of the world, HE has chosen the weak, HE ha chosen those that society would not.

Real victorious living does nto come from being healed or rich or in a position of not suffering, real victorious living is trusting GOD when nothing is going right and you have no external reason to trust HIM. Real victorious living comes from praising HIM in the midst of the storm and being fully surrendered to HIS will that is done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Understanding that GOD is soveriegn and all powerful and that nothing in your life is out of HIS will or plan. I would rather die sick and poor than have my reward here on Earth.

Luke 6:24 "But woe to you who are rich, for you have recieved your consolation".

Well said. That is beautiful.

[Floatingaxe]

God does allow babies to be born with ills because we live on a cursed world. When Adam fell the world became cursed, so we are born a cursed people into a cursed world, but Jesus came and broke that curse, restoring us back into fellowship with our Father and ALL He has promised us. We accept Christ we accept His promises into our lives. I don't have to settle for the curses of this world. There are over ten thousand promises in the Word that I can claim as mine as a co-inheriter with Christ. Healing is one of them. How is God's children walking around with sickness and lack lifting up His name? We are to rule and reign as kings and priest. Jesus said that the kingdom of God is with in us, that means we have Royal dominion with in us. We are to be the head and not the tail. If I am not living in the promises that God has promised me, I am not living in royal dominion and I am not the head.

Hmmmm......I thought only Christ was the head of the Body.

I'm sure your not purposly misinterpreting what I meant. Christ is the head of the church.

I'm not purposefully misinterpreting, I just don't know what you mean by "We are to be the head not the tail."

God wants us to walk in victory. He wants His church to be ahead of the world, to be the top not the bottom. He's called us to victorious living. Yet the church in general lives in lack and despair that is not what God wants for us. We are to be a an example of God's goodness to His children, so He will be glorified.

The greatest gift GOD ever gave me was poverty. Having to rely on HIM for my daily bread each day.

I truely vicorious are those who praise JESUS from their lack. That is why HE has chosen the foolish of the world, HE has chosen the weak, HE ha chosen those that society would not.

Real victorious living does nto come from being healed or rich or in a position of not suffering, real victorious living is trusting GOD when nothing is going right and you have no external reason to trust HIM. Real victorious living comes from praising HIM in the midst of the storm and being fully surrendered to HIS will that is done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

Understanding that GOD is soveriegn and all powerful and that nothing in your life is out of HIS will or plan. I would rather die sick and poor than have my reward here on Earth.

Luke 6:24 "But woe to you who are rich, for you have recieved your consolation".

Poverty is not a gift. He can reveal Himself through it, but His desire for us is to break free from things that hold us down, to be victorious. Satan wants us in poverty, not God. We are highly favoured people in God, and we are the residence of the King Himself..we have mighty callings and poverty is meant to prevent us from doing the will of God. Lack is not the will of God--but abundance is. In our walk with God, we may very well experience some periods of lack (I know I have!), but that is not the mark of an overcomer.

God's desire for us is to reach the lost, dying, poverty-stricken world for Jesus Christ. Lack only puts reins and shackles on us.

[truthbringer]

"There are reasons why God doesn't heal, But it is never, never God who doesn't heal. "

This statement contradicts itself.

If God doesn't heal then God doesn't heal.

I stand corrected, I should have said,

"There are reasons why people dont receive healing, But it is Never, never God who doesn't heal"