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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

Semantics.

Those in Hell are not those who GOD loves.Hell is not an act of love. It is an act of wrath!

God is love, He is also righteous and just. People go to hell because they choose to. Jesus came to earth, lived a perfect life, died for them, and rose again, so they did not have to go to hell. Yet they refuse salvation and choose hell, this is not because God does not love them.

What about those who have not heard?

God is just and fair, and He will deal with those who have not heard accordingly. That is not really material to issue. The fact is that Hell is never where God wants anyone to be.

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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

Semantics.

Those in Hell are not those who GOD loves.Hell is not an act of love. It is an act of wrath!

it is not semantics. Hell is not an act of wrath. Hell is a consequence, not something that God punishes people with.

WHATEVER


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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

Semantics.

Those in Hell are not those who GOD loves.Hell is not an act of love. It is an act of wrath!

God is love, He is also righteous and just. People go to hell because they choose to. Jesus came to earth, lived a perfect life, died for them, and rose again, so they did not have to go to hell. Yet they refuse salvation and choose hell, this is not because God does not love them.

What about those who have not heard?

God is just and fair, and He will deal with those who have not heard accordingly. That is not really material to issue. The fact is that Hell is never where God wants anyone to be.

None of this is material to the OP issue


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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

Semantics.

Those in Hell are not those who GOD loves.Hell is not an act of love. It is an act of wrath!

God is love, He is also righteous and just. People go to hell because they choose to. Jesus came to earth, lived a perfect life, died for them, and rose again, so they did not have to go to hell. Yet they refuse salvation and choose hell, this is not because God does not love them.

What about those who have not heard?

God is just and fair, and He will deal with those who have not heard accordingly. That is not really material to issue. The fact is that Hell is never where God wants anyone to be.

None of this is material to the OP issue

Actually it goes right to the heart of the OP....although God will never leave us nor forsake us, neither will He ever stop loving us no matter what we do or how far we stray. The fact remains that it is our choice whether we will love Him back, whether we will leave or forsake Him, whether we will serve Him or not. This is what determines where we spend eternity not God. He is always there waiting for us to come to Him. He receives all who come to Him. He is never going anywhere.

I may be missing what you are saying Ezekiel, but you say "although God will never leave us nor forsake us, neither will He ever stop loving us no matter what we do or how far we stray," and then you seem to contradict what you are saying by the following statement. "The fact remains that it is our choice whether we will love Him back, whether we will leave or forsake Him, whether we will serve Him or not. This is what determines where we spend eternity not God." Are you saying here that it is determined upon us as to whether God's promises are true? I read in 2 Timothy 2:13. "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. We are of Jesus; his body. If He denies us, He has effectively denied Himself. God's promises are sure. If He says He will never leave nor forsake us I believe it and that's good enough for me.


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Please don't bring Mother Theresa into this. Jesus spoke to that rich young man like He did because HE KNEW HIS HEART and what HIS sticking point was.

Not the point.

It is precisely the point when someone starts to think and preach that we must start to shell out to all and sundry.

We do not measure our love by what we are willing to do. We measure it by what we are not willing to do.

I never said anyone has to do anything. I only said to fulfill the commandment, yo must take it to it farthest point.

What are you saying is a commandment?

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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

Semantics.

Those in Hell are not those who GOD loves.Hell is not an act of love. It is an act of wrath!

God is love, He is also righteous and just. People go to hell because they choose to. Jesus came to earth, lived a perfect life, died for them, and rose again, so they did not have to go to hell. Yet they refuse salvation and choose hell, this is not because God does not love them.

What about those who have not heard?

God is just and fair, and He will deal with those who have not heard accordingly. That is not really material to issue. The fact is that Hell is never where God wants anyone to be.

None of this is material to the OP issue

Well kross, if it is not material, then why did you bring it up??? You asked about those who haven't heard, and I guess you didn't like the answer, but it is the best answer available given the amount of light we have on issue at this point. I don't know exactly God will handle those who have not heard, but I know that whatever He does, it will be fair and just in keeping with His revealed character.
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I do not think that sending someone to Hell for all eternity is an act of love. I also do not think that GOD will send anyone to Hell that HE loves.
I hear you, but no one is sent to hell at all.

Hell is not where God sends people. If a person chooses continued separation from God, hell is the conseqence, not so much a sentence from God. The person whether intending to or not, has elected that existence in the after life.

Semantics.

Those in Hell are not those who GOD loves.Hell is not an act of love. It is an act of wrath!

it is not semantics. Hell is not an act of wrath. Hell is a consequence, not something that God punishes people with.

WHATEVER

No, its not a"whatever" issue. The fact remains that no one is "sent" to hell, and the Bible bears that out. Hell is the product of a tragic, personal choice. My point is that God does not send anyone to hell at all. I don't know why that offends your pride, but it is the truth.

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I write this for the same reason I had the other string going, if you are living better than anyone else, you are not loving your neighbor as yourself.
'that is an assumption you are not qualified to make as you cannot see the heart or motives of a person. Just because a person is affluent, it does not follow that they do not love their neighbor as themself.

You have elevated yourself above those around you and have made sure you take care of you before them.
Wrong. You cannot meet the needs of others if your own needs are not met. God did not demand that we impoverish ourselves for others. You perverted the meaning of "loving your neighbor as yourself." What that commandment actually means is that we are treat the needs and welfare of our neighbor with the same urgency as we would treat our needs. It is not some quasi-socialist doctrine where everyone has to be on the same level. God never speaks against a person being rich. He speaks against those whose riches have become an object of pride and/or have put their faith in their earthly affluence. It when their wealth becomes more important than God, that there is a problem.

Maybe this is not true for you and maybe you are living the life of Mother Theresa, in which case I say bravo and you might be sinless.
Mother Teresa was not sinless, and furthermore, she is not the standard we live by. Jesus is the standard by which we should measure ourselves.

It may also be that you have not understood the depth of JESUS' explaination of what truly loving GOD above all else, and your neighbor as yourself, means. In which case, it is possible to think you are fulfilling the commandment when you are not.
Again, you are not qualified to make such assumptions. You seem a bit overconfident in your perceived understanding of the passage. The truth is, it is YOU that has perverted the commandment and made it a bludgeoning tool and a source of condmenation. If anything, this does nothing but to highlight your own arrogance and selfrighteousness.

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Quoting me - I may be missing what you are saying Ezekiel, but you say "although God will never leave us nor forsake us, neither will He ever stop loving us no matter what we do or how far we stray," and then you seem to contradict what you are saying by the following statement. "The fact remains that it is our choice whether we will love Him back, whether we will leave or forsake Him, whether we will serve Him or not. This is what determines where we spend eternity not God." Are you saying here that it is determined upon us as to whether God's promises are true? I read in 2 Timothy 2:13. "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. We are of Jesus; his body. If He denies us, He has effectively denied Himself. God's promises are sure. If He says He will never leave nor forsake us I believe it and that's good enough for me.

Quoting you - We have freedom of choice and no matter how ''saved'' you get God will never strip you of that freedom.

My response - Freedom of choice???? I have not read of that. -

John 15:16 "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you."

Ephesians 1:4. "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world (Funny, I don't even remember my choice at that time)."

2 Thessalonians 2:13. "God hath from the beginning chosen (why didn't I have a freedom of choice in His decision?) you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth."

Philippians 2:13. "For it is God which worketh in you (you mean it is not my free will) both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

Romans 3:11. "There is none that seeketh after God." So you had the free will to seek Him?

John 3:27. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship.

In all of this we have no freedom of choice


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Notes again that she never got a true response to her refutations to ezekiel's posts.

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