Say it aint so... Ray

[LadyRaven]

This makes me sad. I liked very little of his music because, well, I like Operatic Gothic doom metal or Ethereal music like Enya and Love Spirals Downwards. But I did like "Watch the Lamb" and the one where he was thanking people for giving to the Lord, whatever song that was. He was talented and very popular so it's definitely a blow.

One thing though, I really get peeved when people start acting like people who sin in a homosexual fashion and the church behaves as if they have committed Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit (the one unforgivable sin). Homosexuality is sin, but so is fornication and adultery and for some reason people behave as if it's worse than either of these.

[Floatingaxe]

This makes me sad. I liked very little of his music because, well, I like Operatic Gothic doom metal or Ethereal music like Enya and Love Spirals Downwards. But I did like "Watch the Lamb" and the one where he was thanking people for giving to the Lord, whatever song that was. He was talented and very popular so it's definitely a blow.

One thing though, I really get peeved when people start acting like people who sin in a homosexual fashion and the church behaves as if they have committed Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit (the one unforgivable sin). Homosexuality is sin, but so is fornication and adultery and for some reason people behave as if it's worse than either of these.

What makes it more heinous is the fact that many so-called Christians who sin in this way are NOT repenting! They have swallowed the lie that it is not a sin, so regular fornication and sodomy is the order of the day for them.

Ray has now associated with a homosexual church. That will ingrain his sin even more into his life. His wife has accepted it, which is to his charge, and I pray for his children, that they will not be so badly damaged.

[LadyRaven]

This makes me sad. I liked very little of his music because, well, I like Operatic Gothic doom metal or Ethereal music like Enya and Love Spirals Downwards. But I did like "Watch the Lamb" and the one where he was thanking people for giving to the Lord, whatever song that was. He was talented and very popular so it's definitely a blow.

One thing though, I really get peeved when people start acting like people who sin in a homosexual fashion and the church behaves as if they have committed Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit (the one unforgivable sin). Homosexuality is sin, but so is fornication and adultery and for some reason people behave as if it's worse than either of these.

What makes it more heinous is the fact that many so-called Christians who sin in this way are NOT repenting! They have swallowed the lie that it is not a sin, so regular fornication and sodomy is the order of the day for them.

Ray has now associated with a homosexual church. That will ingrain his sin even more into his life. His wife has accepted it, which is to his charge, and I pray for his children, that they will not be so badly damaged.

It all starts when people do not understand the purpose behind marriage and the holiness of what the sexual act is. That is what makes all sexual sin an abomination. but I dont hear the outrage concerning so called Christians who are fornicating and committing adultery and dont repent of it. There is nothing new under the sun. And, if people still expected others to remain pure heterosexually, there would be no way that the homosexual agenda could live at all. We had a heterosexually charged sinful agenda a while back, and apparently it was successful as we just seem as a society to not care any more.

[Floatingaxe]

Good point, Lady Raven.

But we don't have churches springing up revolving around the act of adultery, praising it and calling it glorious and a blessing from God.

[nebula]

Both of you - Lady Raven and Floating Axe - make valid points.

There is a balance in this.

But let's try not to turn t his thread into a fight like the last time, OK?

We need to pray for his soul.

[LadyRaven]

Good point, Lady Raven.

But we don't have churches springing up revolving the act of adultery, praising it and calling it glorious and a blessing from God.

That is true, you dont see that.

Ignoring homosexuality as a sin seems to have failed in a much different fashion than ignoring regular heterosexual sin for some reason.

Haven't really worked why that is, but you do have a very true point there.

Perhaps it's because heterosexual sin has always been in the church whereas homosexual sin was kept out for a long time?

[LadyRaven]

Both of you - Lady Raven and Floating Axe - make valid points.

There is a balance in this.

But let's try not to turn t his thread into a fight like the last time, OK?

We need to pray for his soul.

I have noticed, that historically, homosexuality (between consenting adults) has been treated by many religious groups as something so sinful that it goes above and beyond. Perhaps the homosexual agenda is a reaction to that. There has been some historical theorizing that the Viking raids on the coast of England were a result of religious dispute rather than mere brutality for it's own sake. You see this sort of militant reaction over and over, historically. When there is a reactionary movement of the militant rebellious sort, there tends to be a reason behind it. Perhaps if the church had been more vigilant during the 1960s, in response to the free love movement...

Wait a minute. During the 1960s, you did have so called churches and individuals claiming that their free love was a gift from God, didn't they? (I was born in 1964, my memory is kinda sketchy).

[ColleenLovesMischief]

What gets me is the fact that some Christians act as though God made a mistake in calling homosexuality a sin. They think they can actively live a homosexual life and bear fruit for God as well. It ain't happening!!!!! Try living with someone and bearing fruit for God...it stops...try lying all the time and bearing fruit. Not happening either!!!! I wonder how these people can justify.

[LadyRaven]

What gets me is the fact that some Christians act as though God made a mistake in calling homosexuality a sin. They think they can actively live a homosexual life and bear fruit for God as well. It ain't happening!!!!! Try living with someone and bearing fruit for God...it stops...try lying all the time and bearing fruit. Not happening either!!!! I wonder how these people can justify.

Well, God said it, so, it is a sin and was not a mistake. God doesn't make mistakes.

The fact that God will sometimes use us despite or in spite of ourselves is no excuse to continue in sin. When the sin doesn't stop eventually and no one repents, that seems to be evidence that there is a problem with the alleged testimony.

[ayin jade]

There has been some historical theorizing that the Viking raids on the coast of England were a result of religious dispute rather than mere brutality for it's own sake.

As a descendant of vikings, I would like to protest the view that vikings were merely brutal raiders. There have been viking trading settlements found in the uk and other places. They traded, they raided, they explored, they established settlements in the new world. Vikings had an elaborate culture that was not solely the brutal pillager depicted by some. Even in their pillaging, it was economic ... greed ... and not brutality for the sake of brutality.