oneness vs trinity

[Guest shiloh357]

The phrase "Son of man" is merely a Jewish maxim which testifies of one's humanity, as it is used by God toward Ezekiel so many times. In Christ's case, it too testified of His humanity - that He in fact was "born" a man.

That depends on how the term is used. Jesus used it to refer to His Messiah. It would be pointless to constantly refer to Himself as having human flesh or as havng been born a man.

When Jesus said "nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven," Jesus was not referring to His humanity. He was make a direct and obvious connection to the prophecy in Daniel.

Jesus did not refer to Himself EVER as a son of man. Jesus referred to Himself as "THE Son of man." There is a noticeable difference. He was distinquishing Himself from other men born of woman. By Jesus calling Himself THE Son of Man, He was denoting Himself as Messiah.

Rather the word

[Guest shiloh357]

Here's just the first few of over 700 possible examples "echad" meaning absolute one, not a unified one -

Doesn't matter Blindseeker. What matters is how it is used in the in terms of "one" Lord. The fact remains that when it is used in terms of God's oneness in the scriptures I referred to earlier, it does not mean absolute one. I am simply relying on proper hermeneutics.

[larryt]

The name Elohim is a plural noun and is literally Gods.

Larry,

If

[HAZARD]

(Matt. 7:21; 10:32-33; 11:27; 15:13; 16:17; 18:10, 19, 35; 19:17; 20:23; 24:36; 25:34; 26:29, 39, 42, 53; Luke 2:49; John 5:17, 43; 6:32, 65; 8:19, 28, 38, 49, 54; 10:17-18, 25, 29, 30, 32, 37; 12:26-28; 14:7, 12, 20, 21, 28; 15:1, 8, 10, 4, 23; 16:23-26; 18:11; 20:17, 21; Rev. 1;1; 2:27; 3:5, 12; 5:1-7, 13; 7:9, 15-16; 10:6; 11:15; 12:10; 21:10; 21:22-23; 22:1-5.

I gave 80 Scriptures showing Jesus and God the Father are not omnibody. You as usual give none to show the above Scriptures false?

Anyone can put a list of scriptures down that means nothing to me. Here is a verse that proves your meaningless list wrong.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Hi 'ezekiel33'

They sure are one, they are one "In UNITY" not body. No Scriptures are meaningless.

The scriptures itself is not meaningless nor is that what i meant, however you just writing down 80 different scripture that supposedly supports your belief without quoting a single one is meaningless.

Mate, your supposed to look the scriptures up for yourself? Isnt it enough that I have found 80 supporting what i am saying? I have read them, and if I were to post all eighty I would fill pages and no one would read the post. If one is interested in a doctrin one looks up the Scriptures concerning the doctrin.

[Floatingaxe]

Floatingaxe,

I have had this post in response to one of your posts and you as of yet have not responded. May I ask why?

Sorry, blindseeker. It was a nice post.

[Floatingaxe]

I believe that every time God is said to have appeared to men, it was Jesus, pre-incarnate, as in Melchizedek ("He was priest of God Most High"). The Lord doesn't correct me on it, so I will continue to believe it. It doesn't interfere at all with how the Word of God presents Jesus as God incarnate. In fact, it has been the right thing to believe.

Are you saying Melchizedek was actually Jesus?

I think He was. I'm not the only one. He was "the Holy Priest of God" Capitalized and everything!

[Floatingaxe]

Instruction from the Holy Spirit is more than a feeling. You should know that...???? Your condescension noted.

not when it is not supported by the Bible it is not

It's all supported Biblically. Some things are left for us to interpret. For that, no insults are warranted. N'est-ce pas?

[HAZARD]

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and not the Father or the Holy Ghost.

This is your opinion and I disagree with it.

Its not my opinion, Its written in the Scriptures, Just read them. You could not possibly looked up all the Scriptures I provided supporting what is being said in a few minuets?

The Bible never says Jesus is not the Father matter of fact Jesus Himself said He was the Father John 14:7-9. The Bible does make a distinction between the Father and the Son but Jesus was both Fully God (the Father) and fully man (The Son).

The Bible does say many times that The Father is the one and only true God John 17:1-3 and 1st Cor 8:6, so if you deny the Fatherhood of Christ, then you deny His deity all together.

Jesus is saying that he is the preverbial chip of the old block, as we sometimes say. many people have said to me; "Haz, you look just like your old man mate." jesus also goes on to say in John that the Father is in Him and He is in the father, that is in unity, just as Jesus asked His Father to keep the disciples "one" as he and the F ather were one. Jesus never asked the Father to jam each apostle inside another untill they were "one body' as he and the Father supposedly are? Jesus asked the father to keep them in unity as He and the Father are.

""And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are" (John 17:11);

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me" (John 17:21-23).

Its pretty easy to understand.

The Word, who was with God, and who was also God, in the beginning, (John 1:1), became flesh (John 1:14). There is one God, the Father, who is over Jesus Christ, as Jesus Himself said; "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).

Jesus now sits beside the Father in Heaven in His glorified flesh and bone body, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39), "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God" (Mark 16:19); "Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God" (Luke 22:69).

Now how a glorified flesh and bone Jesus Christ can sit beside a Spirit bodied God the Father, for "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24) and be omnibody, that is spirit mixed with flesh and bone which is not once mentioned anywhere in Scripture, only the devil could convince somone of this foolishness.

[BlindSeeker]

When Jesus said "nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven," Jesus was not referring to His humanity. He was make a direct and obvious connection to the prophecy in Daniel.

I can agree with you here, but I feel it goes beyond your statement.

I believe Jesus was saying directly to the charge of the high priest that he personally would witness the man in front of Him literally coming in the clouds executing God

[BlindSeeker]

Here's just the first few of over 700 possible examples "echad" meaning absolute one, not a unified one -

Doesn't matter Blindseeker. What matters is how it is used in the in terms of "one" Lord. The fact remains that when it is used in terms of God's oneness in the scriptures I referred to earlier, it does not mean absolute one. I am simply relying on proper hermeneutics.

Oh? Really?

Well I respect your view though I disagree with it.