Worldly concerns

[Guest Biblicist]

Kross:

"I feel sorry for you. You think you can do better than GOD. Have at it".

"When I speak and teach people, I am smiling and laughing and telling it the way it is".

"Why i am on a sight dedicated to the gospel is to help people like you get it right".

I'm Sorry, aren't you the one who said that my being here was some how proof that I am not concerned about the spread of the gospel?

Does that hold true for you?

So why are you here? So far it just seems you come to pick fights.

I come to pick fights?

Nope. Never said that.

Psalm 34:13 keep your tongue from evil

and your lips from speaking lies.

14 Turn from evil and do good;

seek peace and pursue it.

Psalm 139:4 Before a word is on my tongue

you know it completely, O LORD.

Proverbs 10:20 The tongue of the righteous is choice silver,

but the heart of the wicked is of little value.

21 The lips of the righteous nourish many,

but fools die for lack of judgment.

Brother, you can not reach people with insults, inuendos, and a highbrow attitude. You are not better than anyone else just because you presume to be a "pastor". You are human, just like everyone else. Don't you see that it is your holier-than-thou attitude that some people reject, not your message?

[Massorite]

I often take some heat in these posts because I do not believe in the power of government over GOD. I see the plight of the world and I know that only GOD can make the changes we want to see.

The only time I will ever spend in concern about what I see in the world is the time I spend in these forums. And that because this is the time that I am doing little else.

There is no place in all of the teaching and scriptures that tells us Christians should be all wrapped up in the concerns of the world. We are supposed to be singularly focussed on the spread of the gospel and the saving of souls. What good we do, we are to do for the honor of GOD and the glory of JESUS CHRIST.

I come here to try to undo decades of bad teaching and wrong ideas of what we are supposed to be in the world. Most importantly, to undo the teaching that sitting on the couch and praying will not get it done when this is the most important thing we can do, take our hands off and let GOD have it.

We are supposed to be working to change the minds and hearts of society by the spread of the gospel and the power of GOD. We are not ever called to pass laws to make people live the way we think they should live. Laws are a reflection of society as a whole, they can not be used to stem the tide of evil, only the spread of the gospel can do that.

Every time We have been faced with a test, to see if we would continue in our trust of GOD, we have chosen to take matters into our own hands and GOD has backed off and let us. As a result, things are getting worse. If we could realize that it is our pride that fosters a belief that we can change these things, maybe we would finally toss our hands up in the air, fall on our knees and realize that we are defeated because we walk by sight and not by faith, because we use the weapons of this world to fight a spiritual battle.

And when we have humbled ourselves and sought HIS face, and turned from this wickedness, then HE will hear from Heaven, HE will forgive us, HE will heal our land.

I disagree. As a committed lover of Christ we should all be concerned about what our God has created because God considers His creation Good which includes the condition of the world. However I do not believe that we should spend so much time focusing on the condition of the world that we neglect our focus on God and His primary goal. Which is to glorify God, preach the Gospel, and bring souls to Him.

Our life in Christ is supposed to be an example to the world of how the world is supposed to live. The bible says that those who mourn shall inherite the earth so we should ask our selves what it is that we should be mourning? The answer is that we should be mourning those who have rejected the Creator and His Son, the moral condition of the world and the souls lost to the world. It is our job to try to bring about a better world to live in which is why preaching the Gospel to the world is so important to God. Which is why He is going to be rebuilding the world for us to live in for eternity.

[kross]

I do not contradict myself. You may read and see contradiction. But it is not there.

Social change through the spread of the gospel. Not poitical head bashhing and subjegation (However that is spelled)

What I do not understand is that you all seem to be saying that if I put my trust in GOD, HE will let me down. Through everything that has been said, there is the underlying belief that trust in GOD will fail.

If I go and talk to the parents of this imaginary child and i share the gospel and I help by simple verbal intervention, you assume that it will fail. I do not understand how people of faith can truly go along with the idea, "yea, I trust GOD, but when that fails..."

I remember a couple who inheritted some money. Right after, he needed heart surgery and they had to spend %80 of it. They told me that GOD wanted them to have this money, but Satan took it away. I told them that Satan had intended them harm, but GOD had provided for them before hand.

That is the "Big But" sermon. IS GOD after your "BUT" or is Satan. GOD wanted BUT Satan..... or Satan wanted BUT GOD....

You are coming at me as if GOD will fail because of Satan. I am saying satan will fail because of GOD. If you want to use the weapons of this world to wage a spiritual war, then go ahead.

I will not join you in that.

[kross]

I often take some heat in these posts because I do not believe in the power of government over GOD. I see the plight of the world and I know that only GOD can make the changes we want to see.

The only time I will ever spend in concern about what I see in the world is the time I spend in these forums. And that because this is the time that I am doing little else.

There is no place in all of the teaching and scriptures that tells us Christians should be all wrapped up in the concerns of the world. We are supposed to be singularly focussed on the spread of the gospel and the saving of souls. What good we do, we are to do for the honor of GOD and the glory of JESUS CHRIST.

I come here to try to undo decades of bad teaching and wrong ideas of what we are supposed to be in the world. Most importantly, to undo the teaching that sitting on the couch and praying will not get it done when this is the most important thing we can do, take our hands off and let GOD have it.

We are supposed to be working to change the minds and hearts of society by the spread of the gospel and the power of GOD. We are not ever called to pass laws to make people live the way we think they should live. Laws are a reflection of society as a whole, they can not be used to stem the tide of evil, only the spread of the gospel can do that.

Every time We have been faced with a test, to see if we would continue in our trust of GOD, we have chosen to take matters into our own hands and GOD has backed off and let us. As a result, things are getting worse. If we could realize that it is our pride that fosters a belief that we can change these things, maybe we would finally toss our hands up in the air, fall on our knees and realize that we are defeated because we walk by sight and not by faith, because we use the weapons of this world to fight a spiritual battle.

And when we have humbled ourselves and sought HIS face, and turned from this wickedness, then HE will hear from Heaven, HE will forgive us, HE will heal our land.

I disagree. As a committed lover of Christ we should all be concerned about what our God has created because God considers His creation Good which includes the condition of the world. However I do not believe that we should spend so much time focusing on the condition of the world that we neglect our focus on God and His primary goal. Which is to glorify God, preach the Gospel, and bring souls to Him.

Our life in Christ is supposed to be an example to the world of how the world is supposed to live. The bible says that those who mourn shall inherite the earth so we should ask our selves what it is that we should be mourning? The answer is that we should be mourning those who have rejected the Creator and His Son, the moral condition of the world and the souls lost to the world. It is our job to try to bring about a better world to live in which is why preaching the Gospel to the world is so important to God. Which is why He is going to be rebuilding the world for us to live in for eternity.

You barely disagree and that because of my wording. All that you have stated here is so close to what I have been saying that I will give a

Yes we are to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and clothe the naked, spread the gospel and teach the good news for the purpose of saving souls and OUR NATION. But, we will not succeed in any positive lasting impact on the direction of our country with worldly means.

As someone said to me in an IM, now that I am saved, the laws of the world are irrelevant because I live more concerned about the laws of GOD. IF we lead them to HIM, the country will be healed.

[kross]

I often take some heat in these posts because I do not believe in the power of government over GOD. I see the plight of the world and I know that only GOD can make the changes we want to see.

There is no place in all of the teaching and scriptures that tells us Christians should be all wrapped up in the concerns of the world. We are supposed to be singularly focussed on the spread of the gospel and the saving of souls. What good we do, we are to do for the honor of GOD and the glory of JESUS CHRIST.

I come here to try to undo decades of bad teaching and wrong ideas of what we are supposed to be in the world. Most importantly, to undo the teaching that sitting on the couch and praying will not get it done when this is the most important thing we can do, take our hands off and let GOD have it.

For God so Loved the World....Jesus defeated Satan on the cross with Love...of course the World is cursed..thanks to darkness...and we know the end of the story..in the mean time...Jesus wants to see us display his love and obediance and faithfulness thru light...this isn't a big game of tag your saved like many want to believe...everybody is tested everyday ...your attitude, behavior, and actions...are they godly or ungodly...Godly loving or satan hateful...

Love always protects...you better be concerned about the world...I want my family in a safe, Godly loving environment....and it is not easy because of people like you...if your not striving for that and don't care...then the enemy sneaks in and brings about wickedness and destruction...

As a child of God, Jesus is suppose to be within us...we are suppose to be wheat amongs weeds...light amongst darkness...I disagree with you totally...I think Children of Jesus should be striving for positions of authority....whether Government, Corporations, Entertainment, etc. .and proclaiming and living the Love of Jesus...And instill his way into this world...and not just talk it...but live it...

I never saw JESUS doing that in the scriptures. I guess i will have to go back and look. Seems to me HE told us to seek the position of a servant, not authority.

I feel sorry for you. You think you can do better than GOD. Have at it.

Actually Jesus Himself was in a position of authority. Jesus, Himself was a Rabbi. He was a public Torah teacher which is why He was allowed to teach as He did. He had disciples and He placed them in positions of Authority.

The New Testament teaches us to to engage our culture. We are not to be swept up in the ungodliness of our culture, but are still in this world and we have to engage the world and those in it. The other option is to become reclusive and go live in the desert or something.

Sorry, but that is not true. JESUS was called by the Religious Authorities a man with no education and no papers and it was said that HE had no authority to teach. I am not gong to look up the scripture at this time.

That was because Jesus was a Gallilean Rabbi, who were looked down upon by the Rabbis trained in South in the Jerusalem schools. That fact was that Jesus was a Torah teacher and was respected as a Rabbi. He would not have been allowed to teach in the temple.

They were simply discrediting Jesus and downplaying his qualifications. I am rather surprised that Christian would actually accept as factual the critique of Jesus by His enemies who known to consistently spread lies about Him and even hired false witnesses to lie about Him at His trial. Try coming up with something more credible and biblical.

Shiloh,

I was going to leave this one alone, but JESUS does not allow me to do that. I am going to start a new thread on this subject.

[Massorite]

I often take some heat in these posts because I do not believe in the power of government over GOD. I see the plight of the world and I know that only GOD can make the changes we want to see.

The only time I will ever spend in concern about what I see in the world is the time I spend in these forums. And that because this is the time that I am doing little else.

There is no place in all of the teaching and scriptures that tells us Christians should be all wrapped up in the concerns of the world. We are supposed to be singularly focussed on the spread of the gospel and the saving of souls. What good we do, we are to do for the honor of GOD and the glory of JESUS CHRIST.

I come here to try to undo decades of bad teaching and wrong ideas of what we are supposed to be in the world. Most importantly, to undo the teaching that sitting on the couch and praying will not get it done when this is the most important thing we can do, take our hands off and let GOD have it.

We are supposed to be working to change the minds and hearts of society by the spread of the gospel and the power of GOD. We are not ever called to pass laws to make people live the way we think they should live. Laws are a reflection of society as a whole, they can not be used to stem the tide of evil, only the spread of the gospel can do that.

Every time We have been faced with a test, to see if we would continue in our trust of GOD, we have chosen to take matters into our own hands and GOD has backed off and let us. As a result, things are getting worse. If we could realize that it is our pride that fosters a belief that we can change these things, maybe we would finally toss our hands up in the air, fall on our knees and realize that we are defeated because we walk by sight and not by faith, because we use the weapons of this world to fight a spiritual battle.

And when we have humbled ourselves and sought HIS face, and turned from this wickedness, then HE will hear from Heaven, HE will forgive us, HE will heal our land.

I disagree. As a committed lover of Christ we should all be concerned about what our God has created because God considers His creation Good which includes the condition of the world. However I do not believe that we should spend so much time focusing on the condition of the world that we neglect our focus on God and His primary goal. Which is to glorify God, preach the Gospel, and bring souls to Him.

Our life in Christ is supposed to be an example to the world of how the world is supposed to live. The bible says that those who mourn shall inherite the earth so we should ask our selves what it is that we should be mourning? The answer is that we should be mourning those who have rejected the Creator and His Son, the moral condition of the world and the souls lost to the world. It is our job to try to bring about a better world to live in which is why preaching the Gospel to the world is so important to God. Which is why He is going to be rebuilding the world for us to live in for eternity.

You barely disagree and that because of my wording. All that you have stated here is so close to what I have been saying that I will give a

Yes we are to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and clothe the naked, spread the gospel and teach the good news for the purpose of saving souls and OUR NATION. But, we will not succeed in any positive lasting impact on the direction of our country with worldly means.

As someone said to me in an IM, now that I am saved, the laws of the world are irrelevant because I live more concerned about the laws of GOD. IF we lead them to HIM, the country will be healed.

I agree. Our country is falling away from God faster and faster every day now and if the fairness doctrine is passed Christian radio is doomed by the law.

Be blessed

[Mom2Many]

I do not contradict myself. You may read and see contradiction. But it is not there.

Social change through the spread of the gospel. Not poitical head bashhing and subjegation (However that is spelled)

What I do not understand is that you all seem to be saying that if I put my trust in GOD, HE will let me down. Through everything that has been said, there is the underlying belief that trust in GOD will fail.

If I go and talk to the parents of this imaginary child and i share the gospel and I help by simple verbal intervention, you assume that it will fail. I do not understand how people of faith can truly go along with the idea, "yea, I trust GOD, but when that fails..."

I remember a couple who inheritted some money. Right after, he needed heart surgery and they had to spend %80 of it. They told me that GOD wanted them to have this money, but Satan took it away. I told them that Satan had intended them harm, but GOD had provided for them before hand.

That is the "Big But" sermon. IS GOD after your "BUT" or is Satan. GOD wanted BUT Satan..... or Satan wanted BUT GOD....

You are coming at me as if GOD will fail because of Satan. I am saying satan will fail because of GOD. If you want to use the weapons of this world to wage a spiritual war, then go ahead.

I will not join you in that.

We are not assuming anything will fail. You are placing those thoughts there, not us. The child is being abused. Your words to the parents may or may not correct the situation. You are actually partially to blame if you know what is going on do nothing to help, and the abuse continues. You are partially responsible, and you will be held accountable for it.

My wife and I sponsor a child in Honduras though the AoG Missions. We'll just write them and tell them that we don't need to send money anymore, because doing so does not allow God to work. If God wants her to have food, or a bed to sleep in, or proper schooling, I'm sure He'll make sure she has it without our help. That will relieve us of that burden every month. I'll talk to the Presbyter in the local district as well, since any money used for missions, etc. is actually hindering God's work. Think of the money we'll save!

Thanks!

[stormy612]

When I turned 18, I didn't register to vote because I didn't want to be called for jury duty. I don't like the way the courts have of twisting truth, evidence and speculation in order to prove their side. And for me to be put in the position of accountability for that life based on a twisted truth I can't discern? I'm too personal a person for that. I have to talk to people and get to know them before I judge (if I judge at all, and that based on God's word) Now that I'm older, I still haven't registered to vote because to me, voting is like choosing between the lesser of two evils. I am pro-life, but I won't vote in someone who agrees with God's law on this, but disagrees with His law on something else. To me, it's like Satan using God's word against us. Man is twisted and fallible. Even Jesus didn't trust Himself to man because He knew what was in our hearts. What I can trust is what Jesus has taught me personally through His Word and His ever present guidance. He's changed my heart and because of that change, I desire to follow His will-so I will not abort my child, I will not murder, etc. For me, the human laws have become obsolete. Its like Jesus said, they are written upon my heart now.

God also gives us example after example of how the battle belongs to Him (in the OT). Obey His instruction, and His will be done, through His power, to His honor, and to honor our faith and obediance. And Jesus' power is proof that God honored Jesus' faith and obediance-if Jesus hadn't had faith in God and obeyed Him, Jesus could not have done all that He did, and God would not have resurrected Him and none of us would be saved.

When God calls us to serve in homeless shelters, widows, orphanges, government, etc. we are to call on Him to open our eyes to the battle, listen to His will, obey it with the faith that God will do the battleing. For example, God told Joshua to walk around Jericho for seven days with explicit instructions on how and what they were to do. We all know the story. They didn't sit down and say "Okay God, we'll rest here until You knock the wall down." They had to do something. They had to walk around the city. They obeyed His instructions and when they blew the final trumpet, the walls fell down. Personally, I think it's impossible to knock a wall down with shofars. God's power knocked down that wall because His people were faithful to obey Him. He honored their obediance by knocking the wall down.

So, I have faith that God will honor my obediance to His will. If He did so for Jesus, He will do so for me, and for all of us.

I'm sure I'll be told that I am neglecting my civil responsibilites by not voting. My 'civil responsibility' is the same as Jesus' was. He went to the people-Matthew's house filled with sinners, the woman at the well, Zacheaus's house (sp?), healed Peter's mother-in-law, comforted the woman with the issue of blood, he healed all those who came to Him, etc. This is what God sent Him to do. Jesus knew God's will, had faith in His Father's power, obeyed His Father's will, and all those whom Jesus touched, were healed. The laws of man are designed to scare people from breaking the law and to punish those who break the law. Those who are scared or punished, are not saved. There is no salvation in these laws. Salvation comes when the laws of God are written on our hearts, and we follow them because we love God and we have the faith in Him to honor His own will and our obediance.

So, I say again, Amen Kross.

[Guest man]

I do not contradict myself.

Yes we are to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and clothe the naked,

You can feed the hungry, house the homeless and clothe the naked, but if it is not saving a soul or making a disciple or leading folk to know JESUS, then it is of no importance.

I will not hand out money to a person on the street.

[kross]

I do not contradict myself.

Yes we are to feed the hungry, house the homeless, and clothe the naked,

You can feed the hungry, house the homeless and clothe the naked, but if it is not saving a soul or making a disciple or leading folk to know JESUS, then it is of no importance.

I will not hand out money to a person on the street.

Like many who use the bible that way, I see you took the quotes out of their context, failed to finish the thought, just so you could make it look like contradiction. So Let me restate them.

Yes we are to feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the naked for the purpose of sharing the gospel.

I will not give a homeless man money, I will offer to by him a meal, or give him a blanket, or a room or place to stay, but I will not hand him money.

Just to put them back in context.