IS GOD's will done

[OneLight]

Satan sinned while HE was in heaven. So, if there is a difference, what is it?

This is what is scary.

According to what I have been told lately;

GOD intended this world to have no sin in it. Yet it does

HE intended Lucifer to be pure and holy and an angel of light, and he isn't

It is HIS absolute will that all men be saved, yet HE can't get it done.

These are the things I have been told. If this were true, which it is not, than I would find it hard to believe that HE could create an earth without sin in it if HIS first attempt failed so badly.

I have absolute faith in GOD. I believe that this world is exactly what GOD intended, Satan is exactly what HE intended, and HE will absolutely save all of those HE wants to save. Thus I have absolute faith HE will accomplish everything HE says HE will, because I see that HE has never failed to do so.

You just agreed with me ... it was Satan that sinned, not God willing Satan to sin. Semantics, maybe, but semantics changes the meaning of a statement. And what was the result? Satan was thrown out of heaven and all that followed him, to be sent into the lake of fire in the end. Yes, His creation is what went wrong, not God, due to free will.

Tell me one thing, do you ever make a decision on your own or do you believe that you are led by God to do everything in life that you have done, are doing or will do? Are you a human created in His image or are you a puppet?

[RebekahDavid]

"The Bible shows a God who hates sin" Shiloh

Psalm 97

10Ye that love the LORD, hate evil:

Proverbs 8

13The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate

Amos 5

14Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.

15Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph

Romans 12

9Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

[OneLight]

"You stated that it was GOD's intent to create a world where there would be no sin, and that this world is not what HE intended. Those are your words." kross

you have my posts mixed up with someone elses. check my posts and your facts. thank you.

You are right RD .... it was me that said this.

How many times, in Genesis 1, does it say "it was good"? 6 to be exact, and the last account was on the 5th day scripture tells us "Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good." (v31). When God made man, He said "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness". This included free will.

When all of creation was finished and He rested, creation was said to be "very good". If you stop and thought about this, why would God call His creation very good if He intended it to be different, sinful by His will? He was satisfied in His creation, for God does not make mistakes.

Here is how I viwe this whole thing:

► God is perfect in any way.

► Sin in imperfect in every way.

► God made man in His image, perfect at first, but with a free will to choose on his own.

► God set instructions for man to follow.

► Man turned from God by choosing to disobey.

► God rebuked and punished all involved, but still loved His creation as found in Genesis 1, resulting in the first blood sacrifice for the redemption of sin.

► Man continued to fall away from God by sinning. God allowed this to happen because of free will He gave man.

► God saw how man continued to become more evil (sinful) and was grieved in His heart due to the choices man was making.

► God destroyed all but those on the ark with a flood.

► God instructed once again for man to go forth and multiply, promising never to destroy man in this manner ever again.

► Man became just as sinful again.

► God gave His law to man to show man their sins. creating a blood sacrifice, as He did with Adam and Eve, for forgiveness of sins.

► God sent His Son, Jesus, to be the last blood sacrifice ever need for forgiveness of sin.

► God sent His Spirit to create in man what He intended man to be from the beginning.

► Those who choose His plan of salvation will forever be with Him and those who do not, will not.

Over and over, through all of history, God has been allowing man to live as he wanted, for God did not create puppets, but a creature in His own image. We choose to accept His will in our life, which is stated over and over through the whole bible, a life with no sin. Since we are not completely free from sin while still in the flesh, salvation and forgiveness continues to come through the death and Resurrection of Christ Jesus. It is our choice to choose to accept this life or reject it.

Since rejection of salvation is sin, God will not allow any sinner into heaven, which was proven when God threw out Lucifer and the angles that followed him.

It appears that we fall in line on many of this, except you continue to say sin is Gods will and we are saying that He allows sin to work, for He knows the results will draw us to a realization that we sinned and need forgiveness.

When we harden our hearts, we do not feel the Holy Spirit convicting us of sin. If sin was Gods will, why would the His Spirit be trying to eliminate sin in the lives of man?

Remember ...

Genesis 1:26a

Then God said,

[backontrack]

I have absolute faith in GOD. I believe that this world is exactly what GOD intended, Satan is exactly what HE intended, and HE will absolutely save all of those HE wants to save. Thus I have absolute faith HE will accomplish everything HE says HE will, because I see that HE has never failed to do so.

If you consider this demonic, than I have to tell you that not believing it is demonic humanism.

To claim that what we have now is just the way God wanted it cannot be supported from the Bible as is evident by the lack of Scripture you post to support it. If what you say is true, you could provide a biblical defense, but you can't. You won't post Scripture using the excuse that I will either ignore it or rewrite it. The truth is you CAN'T post Scripture because you dont have a biblical defense.

Just claiming you have faith in God is pointless. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Faith is produced by the Scriptures. What you have is not "faith," as it doesn't come from God or His Word. The trash you post is just more of your twisted unlearned ideas about God. You one of those people that knows just enough theology to be dangerous. The last thing we need is your ideas contaminating this board and poisoning young Christians.

Shiloh

Do you Believe both the Old and the New Testment are from God?

[oak]

Is GOD's will done on earth as it is in heaven?

The answer to your question

[Dave123]

please do not put your words into my mouth kross thank you. you are arguing against scripture

Jesus said

Matthew 23:37:O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

And...

Luke 19:41 Now as He drew near, 1) He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying,

Edited December 31, 2008 by Dave123

[kross]

"I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I, the LORD do all these things."Isa 45:7

There are dozens of scriptures that say these types of things. If I post them, you will just ignor or rewrite them. So I just decided not to bother.

If you did your homework, you would know that God is not referring to moral evil (sin). He is referring to the calamity that comes from judgment. God is not the author of moral evil in any shape or form. God did not create murder, or anything that else that is sinful.I don't ignore or rewrite anything. I simply know hermeneutics and the original languages better than you. You are only trying to read your ghastly doctrines into the Bible.

i agree completely

In Isaiah 45:7, God makes peace and evil. The Hebrew word for evil is 'Ra'.

This is the same word used in describing "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" ('Ra').

Its not the tree of knowledge of good and calamity.

Legoman

I wasn't going to bother with mentioning that because the word is translated as colamity in my NKJV. But it is the same word in both scritpures.

Besides, you are doing a great job.

O, take some of the scriptures you have put in this thread and post them in the "How is it...?" thread. The Amos verse and a couple of others i haven't posted there.

Thanks

[kross]

Satan sinned while HE was in heaven. So, if there is a difference, what is it?

This is what is scary.

According to what I have been told lately;

GOD intended this world to have no sin in it. Yet it does

HE intended Lucifer to be pure and holy and an angel of light, and he isn't

It is HIS absolute will that all men be saved, yet HE can't get it done.

These are the things I have been told. If this were true, which it is not, than I would find it hard to believe that HE could create an earth without sin in it if HIS first attempt failed so badly.

I have absolute faith in GOD. I believe that this world is exactly what GOD intended, Satan is exactly what HE intended, and HE will absolutely save all of those HE wants to save. Thus I have absolute faith HE will accomplish everything HE says HE will, because I see that HE has never failed to do so.

You just agreed with me ... it was Satan that sinned, not God willing Satan to sin. Semantics, maybe, but semantics changes the meaning of a statement. And what was the result? Satan was thrown out of heaven and all that followed him, to be sent into the lake of fire in the end. Yes, His creation is what went wrong, not God, due to free will.

Tell me one thing, do you ever make a decision on your own or do you believe that you are led by God to do everything in life that you have done, are doing or will do? Are you a human created in His image or are you a puppet?

All of my decissions are my own. Since GOD is sovereign, all my actions fit HIS plan. HE does not force me to do anything. HE changes my will so that I will do what is HIS will, or HE does not alter my will so I will choose to make the mistakes HE wants me to make.

[Matthitjah]

Satan sinned while HE was in heaven. So, if there is a difference, what is it?

This is what is scary.

According to what I have been told lately;

GOD intended this world to have no sin in it. Yet it does

HE intended Lucifer to be pure and holy and an angel of light, and he isn't

It is HIS absolute will that all men be saved, yet HE can't get it done.

These are the things I have been told. If this were true, which it is not, than I would find it hard to believe that HE could create an earth without sin in it if HIS first attempt failed so badly.

I have absolute faith in GOD. I believe that this world is exactly what GOD intended, Satan is exactly what HE intended, and HE will absolutely save all of those HE wants to save. Thus I have absolute faith HE will accomplish everything HE says HE will, because I see that HE has never failed to do so.

You just agreed with me ... it was Satan that sinned, not God willing Satan to sin. Semantics, maybe, but semantics changes the meaning of a statement. And what was the result? Satan was thrown out of heaven and all that followed him, to be sent into the lake of fire in the end. Yes, His creation is what went wrong, not God, due to free will.

Tell me one thing, do you ever make a decision on your own or do you believe that you are led by God to do everything in life that you have done, are doing or will do? Are you a human created in His image or are you a puppet?

All of my decissions are my own. Since GOD is sovereign, all my actions fit HIS plan. HE does not force me to do anything. HE changes my will so that I will do what is HIS will, or HE does not alter my will so I will choose to make the mistakes HE wants me to make.

Grace to you,

That is an absolutely non biblical statement. The mistakes you make He will use to further His Glory. However those mistakes are not pre-planned. If they were He would be condoning your sin. However, He is capable of and has overcome it.

You are yet again making God complicite in your sin, knowingly or unknowingly.

He also does not alter your Will, He seeks and desires for your Will to agree with His own.

The Bible is replete with stories of mankind not agreeing with Gods Will and God not forcing them to, ultimately it ends with Judgement though because the curse of not abiding in Gods Word always works itself out in our Lives. This is never Gods perfect Will though.

I think at this point we are going in circles and further belaboring the point can lead to misdirection and Mischarecterization.

Let the reader be like the Bereans, more Noble, and search the Scriptures to be sure that what has been said is True on both sides of the issue.

Thread closed.

Peace,

Dave