I have a question.

[Guest man]

None of that is even close to anything that has been stated. GOD will see to it that HIS people come to a saving knowledge of the truth of JESUS CHRIST paying the penalty for their sins. Without this, they would not be saved. It is the way GOD has decided to do it.

If the ones who will be saved has already been decided since the beginning of time, why do they need something to cover their sins? They're already saved. Wouldn't it be safe to say that their sins have already been forgiven, since they were chosen from the very beginning?

If someone needs to come to the truth of Christ before they are saved, then that means they were not chosen from the beginning of time.

Which is it?

[Guest HIS girl]

I must be missing something....

because I'm unconvinced. It doesn't gel to me.

To me it's confusing and lacks sense - God is NOT like that.

[kross]

='kross'

Pleae Girly girl,

Hello? What's this?

It was please

[kross]

None of that is even close to anything that has been stated. GOD will see to it that HIS people come to a saving knowledge of the truth of JESUS CHRIST paying the penalty for their sins. Without this, they would not be saved. It is the way GOD has decided to do it.

If the ones who will be saved has already been decided since the beginning of time, why do they need something to cover their sins? They're already saved. Wouldn't it be safe to say that their sins have already been forgiven, since they were chosen from the very beginning?

If someone needs to come to the truth of Christ before they are saved, then that means they were not chosen from the beginning of time.

Which is it?

They are not already saved. They are chosen to be saved. Quit trying to change what is being said. If you do not agree, fine. But it has been clearly established in the scriptures that all men have sinned and thus all men need a savior. Those GOD has established to be saved, will be saved. Stop with the gobbledy goop logic.

I do not think I have stated that there are people who are saved from the foundation of the world, If I have, then I mis-spoke. What I have said is that those who are going to be saved were chosen from the foundation of the world to be saved.

"according as HE has chosen us in HIM before the foundations of the world" Not saved from the foundation of the world, chosen us in HIM from the foundation of the world. HE still had to come in the fullness of time and we are still saved in the fullness of time.

"...GOD hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation" not saved from the beginning, chosen to salvation from the beginning.

These are clear scriptures that you choose to ignor. Dozens of them have been posted. All of them say chosen to believe, chosen for salvation, or Elect. None of them say saved from the foundations of the earth.

Choosing to deny the scriptures that you know in order to disregard that which you do not understand is what I do not understand.

[Guest HIS girl]

='kross'

Pleae Girly girl,

Hello? What's this?

It was please

I understood the "please" part but what's this Girly girl bit?? Explaination....please!

[kross]

='kross'

Pleae Girly girl,

Hello? What's this?

It was please

I understood the "please" part but what's this Girly girl bit?? Explaination....please!

Just trying to keep it lite. No offense was meant. Not gonna call you "manly girl" after all

[OneLight]

The more I think about predestination or election, the same question keeps nagging me. If God predestined those who are to be saved, why does He not just give a list of His chosen, to His chosen, and not have them "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"? Seems like a huge waste of time, money and resources wasted if only 33% of the world has become Christians, according to 2007 research. Not a very good example of stewardship, now is it?

[EricH]

The more I think about predestination or election, the same question keeps nagging me. If God predestined those who are to be saved, why does He not just give a list of His chosen, to His chosen, and not have them "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"? Seems like a huge waste of time, money and resources wasted if only 33% of the world has become Christians, according to 2007 research. Not a very good example of stewardship, now is it?

It is an unanswerable question. All we know are that there are passages that indicate 2 things:

1. God is completely sovereign over all things including salvation

2. God hold people accountable for the decisions they make

God has not given us a list of what He has decided to do. All we know is that He has commanded us to share.

[kross]

The more I think about predestination or election, the same question keeps nagging me. If God predestined those who are to be saved, why does He not just give a list of His chosen, to His chosen, and not have them "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"? Seems like a huge waste of time, money and resources wasted if only 33% of the world has become Christians, according to 2007 research. Not a very good example of stewardship, now is it?

Why did GOD make avacodos with such huge pits? Why are flounder sideways? Why did GOD put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. There are no answers to why GOD chooses to do things the way HE does except that HE chooses to do things the way HE does.

Why doesn't GOD show up to everybody the way HE did with Paul? Surely Paul was chosen by GOD.

Now, for what it is worth, I will answer the question and people will say, "no it isn't";

The reason that GOD doesn't give us a list of those who are the chosen is that preaching to those who are under GOD's wrath establishes the righteous judgement they will be under. They will be far more deserving of eternal damnation for having had a taste of the goodness of GOD and considered the shed blood of JESUS CHRIST a contemptable thing.

HIS word goes forward and does not return to HIM without accomplishing all that HE intends it to accomplish.

[larryt]

The more I think about predestination or election, the same question keeps nagging me. If God predestined those who are to be saved, why does He not just give a list of His chosen, to His chosen, and not have them "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you"? Seems like a huge waste of time, money and resources wasted if only 33% of the world has become Christians, according to 2007 research. Not a very good example of stewardship, now is it?

Why did GOD make avacodos with such huge pits? Why are flounder sideways? Why did GOD put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden. There are no answers to why GOD chooses to do things the way HE does except that HE chooses to do things the way HE does.

Why doesn't GOD show up to everybody the way HE did with Paul? Surely Paul was chosen by GOD.

Now, for what it is worth, I will answer the question and people will say, "no it isn't";

The reason that GOD doesn't give us a list of those who are the chosen is that preaching to those who are under GOD's wrath establishes the righteous judgement they will be under. They will be far more deserving of eternal damnation for having had a taste of the goodness of GOD and considered the shed blood of JESUS CHRIST a contemptable thing.

HIS word goes forward and does not return to HIM without accomplishing all that HE intends it to accomplish.

And that is the way it is.

LT